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Ocean Waves

Sun Nov 06 2011, 11:28PM

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So it appears that Pons and Fleischmann were correct, that they did get a power gain, and that it was cause to be not repeated several scientist because the palladium that they where using was not active........... now 20 years later we now know that the palladium was impure in fact it had just the right impurities or what now could be called dopents to allow the production of excess energy helium isotope and in some instances neutron flux............from deuterium.

Now through some research I have actually found a recipe for the correct dopant's to use on the palladium and procedures for preparation of the sample, I'm starting to think that I too would like to produce some excess energy harnessed by a small Stirling engine to perhaps power a laptop computer or something.

it goes something like this, starting with pure palladium that has been re-refined several times with high purity chemicals, to remove all traces of base metals like copper, nickel and iron trough standard hydro and pyro metallurgical procedures ending with a highly pure amount of palladium sponge 30 to 60 grams maybe in order.

the next step would be to obtain 2 highly pure 1 gram samples of ruthenium, likely even if labeled .999 fine its got a larger number of impurities than that, mainly nickel which in very small doping quantities helps LANR reactions, so likely this sample could be used as is for directly doping the palladium. the dopant ratio is a bit fuzzy but the sample has to be doped enough so that the melting point (point of full liquidity, not plasticity) of the finished alloy is 50 to 100 degrees, hotter than that of pure palladium, once this is obtained it is found that a dopant percentage of between .75 and 2 % achieves this.

Next you will need to flatten your sample out in the form of a ribbon by the use of a jeweler's roll mill, and aniel under hydrogen atmosphere at melting point of palladium, inside of a muffel such as a ported ceramic tube or the like, the sample should not melt!!!!!!!!! now its worth mentioning that sometimes when you remove the heat and keep feeding the hydrogen the sample continues to glow, indefinitely at 3100 degrees ?????

Wait!!! I know what you are going to say, I thought we where talking about cold fusion? While cold fusion in D2O only works because of superheated micro domains within the lattice caused by application of electrical current. and why not just skip that step and make some real energy? but thats likely the trade secret of several evil corporations, and is likely a closely guarded secret, well not anymore, didn't make me any money and its not going to, so letting the cat out of the bag shall we? I will not respond to questions regarding this matter, so don't ask.............

Well, it glows under the hydrogen because most hydrogen is about 1/6000 deuterium, and happens to be a safe starting ratio for fuel when the alloy is within 10ppm of the correct balance, as there is more at play than simple melting temperature there is also the shape of the crystal lattice at play, now if you palladium does not activate at 3100, it still stands a good chance of producing energy in the classic cold fusion setup with D2O. though I would just keep adding small increments of Ru to the mix until a ~3,100 degree activation accrues then you should be able to experiment with fueling , it is said that the palladium has to have a chance to absorb deuterium intro the lattice first to the point of saturation once ignited, it burns slightly above the melting point of palladium until it runs out of fuel and cools down 50 to 100 degrees and reabsorbs more fuel, at this point if it is cooled instead of being fed more fuel the reaction extinguishes.

If your experiments do not produce energy 1 of 2 things are happening 1 your palladium is impure or the wrong alloy ratio, remember you cannot trust the purity of palladium you buy research has showed that only 1 out of every 25 samples will show activity because of the various impurities even though the sample was sold as pure, so you cannot just buy pure palladium its a fact work with it, you absolutely have to learn to refine palladium yourself!!! or 2 you are an applying the procedure wrong, most of the cold hydro methods will work for the hot method you just have to be persistent its not easy...........so all of the hundreds of scientists that have reproduced or failed to reproduce the effect have found out, but know how it got there and exactly whats in your alloy down to the third decimal is 95 percent of the battle.

While this works, be advised a strong neutron flux is possible, you will need a 6 inch boron shield if you plan to extract the 1,500 to 3,000 continuous watts a 60 gram sample is likely to produce if controlled properly. The production of radioactive isotopes happens withing the sample and over a period time similar to that of the so called Rossi device. the sample requires refinement to remove these radioisotopes it may be more economical dispose of the sample and prepare a new one as reining isotopes is the down fall of the palladium lattice fusion reactor for the home experimenter. so its going to to cost you about in todays market $1,500 US per sample, but will likely cost more to dispose of the spent sample. also its worth noting that a rare fusible isotope of helium 3 that is a useful fuel in the Farnsworth device is given from the palladium device, so you get the opportunity to get energy from fusion twice, even if just electrolyzing, though it takes a long time to get a usable amount of He3, but some alloys have been known to produce more He3 and less neutron flux while other alloys are the opposite, all of the exact relationships have not yet been discovered or are being held tight tot he chest as secrets to be taken to the grave, by the greedy financiers. the oil companies that most likely own or are attempting to own all the rights and patents such as they did for killing solar tech through Arco which holds 95% percent of the rights and price fixes, with power gained though 100 years of uncontrolled greed.

there is 3 possible methods for ignition under hydrogen:
1. use a muffle Furnace of some type (not likely to work as it does not simulate electron flow within the domains of the lattice)
2. apply a carefully controlled electrical low voltage current as to cause incandescent glow taking care to hold the temperature precisely at the MP of palladium.
3. completely melt in an induction coil inside of a ceramic crucible , and allow to cool to melting point of palladium while still applying power.

Note: what I have posted maybe entirely fictional and incorrect, I could possibly be grand standing or just pulling your leg for the hell of it, I may believe in what I have said and never tried it, or at one time i could have been associated with a team of researchers that knew about this, you just don't know. If asked question you may not get answers. or just might get rude jokes, int urn rude jokes are expected and rude comments are welcomed, to those out there that take the time to study LANR, may find a slight excitement as they read into the subject.

Presented for your fictional reading pleasure the information required to blowup you house or perhaps even you township?? :)

I thinking that most anyone can sell there 2009 Toyota Rav4 and have enough money to completely fund such an experiment, working with salvage and surplus parts using off the Internet procedures to develop the support equipment and possibly end up with a glowing blob of metal they cant put out, assuming they live in a humid climate lol............

hope you enjoined reading this BS has much as I enjoined making it all up in the last 2 hours........

You all don't Burn your fingers now............. and please don't pour pure deuterium over the glowing lattice!!!!!!!!!!!!

Patrick

Mon Nov 07 2011, 12:23AM

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Ocean Waves wrote ...

hope you enjoined reading this BS has much as I enjoined making it all up in the last 2 hours........

Not sure what your point is ... other than anyone can make up anything, at anytime and then get so called "publication" in this day and age of bogus, shoddy and fraudulent research.

Ocean Waves

Mon Nov 07 2011, 12:40AM

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I'm not sure what my point is either, I just think its a bit funny according to there lines of research it should work, and if it was really this simple we all would have reactors in our basement.............at least those of us with enough know how to control such a reaction.
of course the US navy has an extensive lab in San Diego attempting development on this subject. they have some interesting research papers to read, not sure where its all going though.

Carbon_Rod

Mon Nov 07 2011, 01:46AM

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Just because "you" don't have a functional reactor does not mean "no one" has a working reactor.

You could be in the neutron blast radius from these cowboys:

Sometimes these things can become a serious problem very quickly...
... Luckily, people will not have much time to contemplate the matter if it does go wrong.
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radiotech

Mon Nov 07 2011, 06:09AM

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For the experiment, google back and find out about the lab worker who died
in the Pons and Fleischmann days when a cell failed.

Patrick

Mon Nov 07 2011, 06:40AM

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radiotech wrote ...

For the experiment, google back and find out about the lab worker who died
in the Pons and Fleischmann days when a cell failed.

If my memory serves... a graduate student had a glass reactor over pressurize while he was leaning over it trying to figure out why itwouldnt work, when the glass exploded into his chest. Piercing his heart and lungs he died shortly after.

radiotech

Tue Nov 08 2011, 09:00AM

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I seem to remember that exactly the same thing happened at another lab,
and they tried to contact the campus where the accident happened, but were unable
get through on the phone . When they finally did it was too late.
At that time we could find out stuff on FidoNet through BBSs before
the internet, and the Physics echo out of UC Berkeley was following this.

Ocean Waves

Tue Nov 08 2011, 03:01PM

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somewhere I have a postmortem write up and photographs of one such explosion that caused large scale damage to a lab, the device was little more than, two 6 cm pieces of 18ga Pd and Pt wire warped around crude blown glass tube of 12 mm, placed inside of a reaction vessel of made of glass, with an approximative id of 24mm, reason being the use of pure D2O, can provide for loading of fuel near equilibrium, and a sudden amount of excess energy is produced owing to the fact that the entire fuly loaded crystal lattice ignites at ~3,150 degrees super boiling the liquid heavy water, having results similar to that of a high explosive detonation.......anyone can simulate such a detonation simply by pouring a molten metal into a column of water at to rate higher than the heat can migrated into the surrounding column of water, at a certain point a tipping point is reached and a large volume of water sublimates at a high pressure, thus an explosion of high order is experienced with blast pressures into hundreds of PSI can me measured in an enclosed space such as that as a laboratory, such danger can be mitigated to safety by use of blast chimneys, leading to the outside with little more than a plastic diagram to penetrate, the use of ploy-carbonate observation windows/hatches had become a widely adopted practice with such setups

......though this does not always happen, because very certain conditions must exist withing the crystal lattice for this level of excess energy production to ignite.......

we know these high temperature stimulated high energy reactions take place, one such reaction is that of Rossi'e Nickel catalyst based device that ignites and becomes stable under the influence of high heat, producing very large usable quantities of energy, to the extent that a megawatt power plant is already being constructed, in Itilay. This device is quite different in that is fuses Ni and H to form isotopes of copper, wounder if catalyst for this device could be produced from NimH batteries or 5 cent coins, it seems the secret of this device has to do with preparation of the nickel sample owing to the need of a very certain crystal formation. Then the application of heat under a number of atm's of hydrogen kicks the reaction off. Could we be looking at an NiD starting material having enough vacancies to kick off the reaction with lite hydrogen?

what is known is that if the crystal lattice is allowed to melt to the point of fluidity the reaction stops until the lattice is reformed by cooling. So there is an amount of experiential safety involved. I't unlikely that such reactions could spread to volumes of fuel external to the crystals, as they play a catalytic function in the reactions, the likelihood that a fusion explosive device is possible is uncertain but will likely require extreme conditions beyond that of excess heat production, I believe that an explosive implosion would likely still be necessary.................................and even then unlikely to work considering a pre ignited sphere of alloy with a hollow filled core of deuterium under pressure, there simply is not enough space within the lattice to reach a critical energy level, capable of doing much more than super boiling the alloy itself, thus leading to a high-order and wastefully expensive explosion of palladium, I contend that it would be much cheaper to get a volume of ordinary high explosive together, in substitute, to reach a similar instantaneous energy output., thus the thought that the alloy itself could become a ballatectic agent similar to that of the famed unknown to exist in actuality â€œred mercuryâ€ thus goes to the realm of unlikely.............the lattice is as much a moderator as it is a catalyst.

D20 can be purchased without question for around $5 per ml and Pd can be had in ingot form from any of thousands of distributors for around $500 us per 31 gram sample, I find the use of electro deposited
PdD alloy to be of excitement though it requires the use of 8 g per liter DNO3 reagent electrolite generated most conveniently with a pebble bead arc reactor using pure dry O2 and N2 as the input gases in a closed loop with a D2O return cold trap and other D based reagents that one must prepare under reflux to conserve expensive D20 losses as well as the use of self refined pure Pd and Ru anhydrous nitrates. Obviously you are not going to make large electrodes unless you can afford to have large volumes of D20 handing around the lab. The key to any successful home LANR experiment starts with conserving the losses of D20.

Wow, I'm not very good at writing this BS HUH? No math NO citations, No experience, just finger service, LoL because fact is I cannot do math beyond that of high school.......... most of which i have forgotten............

plazmatron

Tue Nov 08 2011, 05:28PM

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Ocean Waves wrote ...

entire fuly loaded crystal lattice ignites at ~3,150 degrees super boiling the liquid heavy water, having results similar to that of a high explosive detonation.

Um, you cant form, or expect a Metal Hydride to remain stable at these temperatures. All or most of the Hydrogen or Deuterium, would be released at between 200-300 C.

I'm not impressed with the .pdf either. Anyone can create a pdf, and it seems anybody did.

As I stated in a previous Cold Fusion topic, stories like these will increase exponentially over the next few years, as the energy crisis deepens.

The cornerstone of good Science is repeatability, and no-one who has claimed to produce any kind of (excess energy) LENR has come up with the goods.

Tetris

Tue Nov 08 2011, 10:49PM

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So that one movie with the giant laser and albert einstein and the mechanic guy was lying! they lied that cold fusion was real, then said at the end it wasn't, and now science proves it real?

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