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Rediscovered "Q-Dope"

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Forty
Mon Sept 26 2011, 11:12PM Print
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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while playing around in my research lab, i've been making fluorescent plastic films on stuff by dissolving dye and solid polystyrene pellets into toluene, coating a surface with it, and allowing it to dry. makes a very nice, clear, removable from glass film that i thought might make a good insulator for windings. so i ran some tests on coils of wire and it seemed to work well and didn't attack the magnet wire's insulation.
Searching around in the 4hv archives just now, i found the mention of an identical coating method using "Q-Dope" in a discussion of flyback construction.
While it may not be new, it might be an idea worth revisiting.
1 part solid polystyrene to 2 parts toluene (by volume)
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Conundrum
Tue Sept 27 2011, 08:52AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Interesting.

Wonder what it would do if mixed with silver nanoparticles?
Might make a good surface for painting OLEDs or EL onto.

Also, polystyrene dissolves in acetone as well.
This is also useful if you wanted to print out clear coatings
for example to make etch resist on copper.

-A
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Forty
Tue Sept 27 2011, 03:03PM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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my official research involves silver nanoparticles as well, so i've got those sitting around.
I'll have to get some acetone (lab's out) and try it.
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Conundrum
Wed Sept 28 2011, 06:07AM
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Cool!

If you used a different (i.e. not so flammable) solvent you might be able to form conducting paths while it is setting.

-A
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Forty
Thu Sept 29 2011, 01:34AM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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I've got a few other polymers that dissolve in alcohol and even water, but the polystyrene/toluene mix made the best looking finish. I can't imagine that I could get enough conducting particles between the insulating ones to make a decent conducting path.
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radiotech
Thu Sept 29 2011, 06:17PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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If it an electrical insulator one thing to consider is what happens when it
is subject to rapid temperature rise, like what happens when an ark fault
develops in equipment connected to high energy sources, i.e. inside
metal clad switchgear.

It was found in an investigation of damage to gear, far in excess of what could
have been done by the electric source only, that the insulation had decomposed
rapidly.

There is an IEEE paper on this if you can find it.
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