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How to revive Li-ion batteries...

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Inducktion
Wed Sept 21 2011, 06:28PM Print
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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I've got several Li-ion batteries I took out of a laptop's battery pack. Two of them read 3.05 volts, and the others are lower, around 2.5 volts.

I'm pretty sure I can save the 3.05 volt ones, but I'm not so sure about the other lower ones...

Is there a special method to reviving these Li-ion batteries?
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Conundrum
Wed Sept 21 2011, 07:36PM
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Anything under 2.6V is basically dead, unless its a phosphate cell.
I have heard of people recycling these if there is at least 3V on the cell after leaving them to sit for 24 hours unconnected to compensate for crossover current through the PCB from working cells.

They do need a proper LVC and OVC circuit, Li-Ion aren't known for being very forgiving if misused.
I was planning to use a pair of MC1381's but as it turned out the phosphate cells I had were fried anyway.

-A

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haxor5354
Thu Sept 22 2011, 01:52AM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
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zapping them like ni-cd cells won't work
putting them in the freezer won't work
try shoving in voltage till it has 3 volts then charge it
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PSCG
Thu Sept 22 2011, 08:23AM
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Also, be sure that you have the original charging - monitoring - balancing board that was used to charge the Li - ion cells because you cannot charge them like Ni - Cd, Ni - Mi or SLA batteries (they will explode if overcharged).
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Inducktion
Thu Sept 22 2011, 02:45PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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I've been working on a circuit using a 741 op amp or a 393 comparator... and a 555 timer as well, to make a universal battery charger, and am trying to work on getting it to ...well, work properly.

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I need to add the indicator to let you know when it's charging, and when it's not. Other than that, how's it look so far? The 1 mF capacitor and the 100 ohm load is the battery.
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Bjørn
Thu Sept 22 2011, 03:22PM
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The charging voltage is too high.
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Inducktion
Thu Sept 22 2011, 03:44PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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I know; I still have to adjust it to make it okay for Li-ion's, but other than that bit, how is it? :P

Edit::

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There, I fixed it, and added indicator lights.
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PSCG
Fri Sept 23 2011, 08:10AM
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Simple Li - ion battery charger (11.1V battery pack - 3 cells in series):


 Ion Battery Charger


Plug an unregulated 12V power supply (with a current rating equal or higher that the battery pack rating) and adjust R6 for 8.2V (4.2V per cell - the maximum voltage that Li - ion cells are rated) and R7 for 6.2V (3.1V per cell - the minimum voltage that Li - ion are rated). Then, just plug the battery pack (5 cables - plus and minus / balancer circuit).

Let me know if you found this circuit useful.
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Conundrum
Fri Sept 23 2011, 08:51AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Looks good.

I'd also include a hardware shutdown so that if the current does not drop below 10% by time N then it shuts down to prevent overcharging.

Have you tried this circuit with phosphate cells?
-A
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Inducktion
Fri Sept 23 2011, 02:46PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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nah. I tried to build it, and the charger would not give me any indication of it stopping at any specific voltage. It was not adjustable. I'll need to work on it again, to see if I can't get it working properly! (this was just with a capacitor on the output, to simulate a battery)
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