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jpsmith123
Sun Sept 18 2011, 12:20AM Print
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Chip Fixes
Sun Sept 18 2011, 05:24AM
Chip Fixes Registered Member #3781 Joined: Sat Mar 26 2011, 02:25AM
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wow thanks for posting!! I will definitely be avoiding the rain for a while. I would be interested to know the amount already in our tap water...

EDIT: Wait I'm confused by his math (or by my math). 1mR = 10uSV so 1.33 mR only equals 13.3 uSV which according to this chart: Link2 is only equivalent to a little more than the typical background dosage, not 133x it!?
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Proud Mary
Sun Sept 18 2011, 08:11AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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jpsmith123 wrote ...

Link2

Here below, a similar but better organised experiment is described at the Dept of Nuclear Engineering, Berkeley:

Measurement of radioactivity of radon decay products in rainwater with a handheld radiation detector Link2
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Bored Chemist
Sun Sept 18 2011, 09:55AM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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Interesting to note his comment "the paper towel is relatively dry" so that's a measure of the radioactivity of dirt, not rain.

Much more interesting would be to put the towel in a bag for a while and see how fast the activity decays. If it decays with a half life other than about 2.4 days we know that the assertion that it's 239 Np is misleading, and perhaps scaremongering.
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Patrick
Mon Sept 19 2011, 02:34AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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I am always suspicoius of the math, units, and the meaning of the results in reguards to nuclear chemistry/physics.

too many have said 123 at ABC units means its harmless.

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the 456 at XYZ units means we all have 3 minutes to live.


I dont mean to suggest that nuclear science is random or incalculable, this field is as predictable/verifiable, and repeatable as any other field of science. But too many seem to arrange the math to arrive at a "all-ready-wanted" conclusion, and thats not science or engineering.
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Conundrum
Mon Sept 19 2011, 11:47PM
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Also, it seems that the radiation is possibly soft beta or gamma, as alphas would be blocked by the metal tube.

-A
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Tetris
Tue Sept 20 2011, 12:01AM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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That's insane!
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