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Burning Salt Water with Radio Waves?

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Inducktion
Sat Aug 20 2011, 06:00AM Print
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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Link2

How on earth does that work? o.o

Because that sounds pretty awesome....and, honestly, radio frequency shouldn't be too hard to get, so why is it a secret?

Edit;;; Fixed link
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Chip Fixes
Sat Aug 20 2011, 06:39AM
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Ah it's giving me the 404 not found error :(
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hboy007
Sat Aug 20 2011, 07:50AM
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guess he meant Link2
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Proud Mary
Sat Aug 20 2011, 09:01AM
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This is ordinary microwave-induced electrolytic decomposition.

See: Commercial hydrogen gas production by electrolysis of water while being subjected to microwave energy
United States Patent 4265721

Patent pdf here: Link2

There is no new science in microwave-induced electrolytic decomposition. It does not break Faraday's Laws of Electrolysis.

But the way it is being hyped as miraculous for TV reminds me of the Mad Frenchman Naudin, and that Italian humbug Rossi.

My infallible Spirit Guide had this to say during our regular morning communion: "Heap big bullshit. Give I fire water!"







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Pinky's Brain
Sat Aug 20 2011, 10:14AM
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Do it with visible light range EM at decent yield and I'll be impressed.
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Conundrum
Sat Aug 20 2011, 04:11PM
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I expect it works by heating up the water in a way that increases the conductivity so more hydrogen can be produced for a given electrode area and voltage.

-A
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Inducktion
Sat Aug 20 2011, 05:51PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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Fixed the link!
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Tetris
Sun Aug 21 2011, 07:21PM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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Burning water? O_O
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Arcstarter
Sun Aug 21 2011, 10:38PM
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I am with Conondrum on this. Perhaps the radio waves just work like an induction heater and cause eddy currents to flow making hydrogen?

This is great, but how could you power an engine with it? The salt water cannot be simply ignited, it needs radio waves. I guess it is possible, but the radio waves take electricity. You could just use the electricity for electrolysis without the need for radio waves which i assume would be more expensive.

However, if it requires less power in radio waves than does electrolysis, this could be good.
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Inducktion
Mon Aug 22 2011, 12:02AM
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It's rather amusing how much hype the news media creates over something that apparently even isn't new.
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