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Homemade geiger-muller tube using film canister

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hsieh
Sat Aug 20 2011, 03:27AM Print
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
Location: Taipei Taiwan
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I found some websites and videos about making geiger-muller tube using film canister or other ordinary plastic container.

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I cannot read japanese.Can someone explain these further?

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Adam Munich
Sat Aug 20 2011, 04:17AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Well unless you pull a vacuum and backfill the can with neon, it ain't gonna work! Link2

That's just another one of those "make mountain dew glow" videos.
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Proud Mary
Sat Aug 20 2011, 09:25AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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This strikes me as a primitive spark detector - the darling of 1970s particle physics. See how the alphas really get it going, and how the detector events create EMI, as sparks do.

It is wrong to call it a GM tube, because it is not a gas amplification device working in the Geiger-Müller region.
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hsieh
Sat Aug 20 2011, 11:46AM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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Grenadier wrote ...

Well unless you pull a vacuum and backfill the can with neon, it ain't gonna work! Link2

That's just another one of those "make mountain dew glow" videos.
The video says fill the canister with butane.Will this work?
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Bored Chemist
Sat Aug 20 2011, 12:30PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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They may think they are filling it with butane, but they are sadly mistaken. You can't pour a gas into a can and hope it stays there while you stick some plastic over the thing.
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Proud Mary
Sat Aug 20 2011, 02:24PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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hsieh wrote ...

Grenadier wrote ...

Well unless you pull a vacuum and backfill the can with neon, it ain't gonna work! Link2

That's just another one of those "make mountain dew glow" videos.
The video says fill the canister with butane.Will this work?

Helium butane mixtures had a brief vogue as a GM counting gas in the 1960s, and both butane and propane have been used in proportional counting, usually mixed with a Noble gas.

I didn't notice the detail about the fill gas, Adam, until I read your post.

Hydrocarbons, often ethanol, were used as quench gas in first generation GM tubes, which typically operated at 1.2 kV or so, and had a limited life span until the quench gas was used up. The introduction of halogen quench agents - usually Br - reduced the operating voltage to ~350V - 600V in second generation GM tubes, which also had a longer operating life. Most readily available tubes are of this second type.
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hsieh
Sat Aug 20 2011, 05:26PM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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So, is this worth further experimenting?
I cannot find geiger tubes here in Taiwan and cannot buy it on ebay because I don't have a credit card.
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Adam Munich
Sat Aug 20 2011, 05:41PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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I wouldn't waste your time on this.

As for finding a tube, I wonder if you could send LND an international money order. Get a mica window tube; although it is more expensive it is far more useful. Link2
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