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A magnetic circuit: ferrite + air

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Newton Brawn
Thu Aug 18 2011, 03:17AM Print
Newton Brawn Registered Member #3343 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2010, 04:06PM
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Can somenone inform how to calculate the reluctance of a ferrite rod in free space?

It should be noted that the magnetic circuit has 2 reluctances: one provided by the ferrite rod itself Rrod, and other provided by the air gap (big) located between the ends of the rod.

So far wath Im gessing,

The total reluctance is Rrod + Rair

Rrod = Lrod/(Uini x 4x pi x 0.0000001 x Arod)

Rrod is the reluctance of the ferrite rod alone [AE/Wb]
Rair is the reluctance of the space between the two extreme ends of the rod, [AE/Wb]
Lrod is the lenght of ferrite rod [m],
Uini is the initial permissivity (relative) of the ferrite
Arod is the cross section area of ferrite [m^2]

So far so easy.


Rair = reluctance of the magnetic circuit by air between the extreme ends of the rod. Here Is the issue I ned the help!


Any information or suggestion will be welcome

Thanks


Newton
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klugesmith
Fri Aug 19 2011, 07:24PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Hi Newton.

R_air can be calculated from the effective length/area of the flux return path in air, using U_air = 1. The tricky part is estimating the air length and area,
both of which depend on the length and location of the electrical coil that provides H in the magnetic circuit you want to analyze.

I'd start by drawing a longitudinal section of the rod and coil, roughly to scale,.
Then sketch a set of loops indicating my guess to the B field orientation and density in the neighborhood.

You could also:

- continue searching on the Internet for known solutions or formulas.
A good starting place might be catalogs of companies that make ferrite cores, including rod shapes, and work backwards from their inductance formulas.

- wind a test coil and measure its inductance. I think that for moderate excitation at low frequencies, R_rod will be << R_air. (but R_air depends on flux geometry that is strongly influenced by the rod).

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Newton Brawn
Fri Aug 19 2011, 11:58PM
Newton Brawn Registered Member #3343 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2010, 04:06PM
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Hi Kuglesmith!

Please see next post
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Newton Brawn
Sat Aug 20 2011, 02:27PM
Newton Brawn Registered Member #3343 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2010, 04:06PM
Location: Toronto
Posts: 311

Hi Kuglesmith!

Thanks for the help.

I have made some guesses with the reluctance of the path in the air...

The lenght effective lenght I assume as the same lenght of the rod... The area of the air I assumed as pi/4 x (lenght of rod + diameter of rod)^2...



1313850454 3343 FT122616 Air Magnetic Path Jpeg


and checking with some manufacturing data there are diffences.

As soon I can get some data I will return.

Regards


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Antonio
Sat Aug 20 2011, 04:37PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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The approach is interesting, but I would expect a significantly larger effective area for the return path and smaller effective length, because the field lines exit the core not only at the extremities, but along all its length.
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Myke
Sat Aug 20 2011, 05:56PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
Location: MIT
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The field lines aren't fully circular and exit the end of the core at different points. The field of an open bar technically extends out to infinity but it drops off in, I would think, the same manner as an electrostatic dipole.
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jpsmith123
Sat Aug 20 2011, 06:07PM
jpsmith123 Registered Member #1321 Joined: Sat Feb 16 2008, 03:22AM
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I suppose you could always d/l a field solver and try that. Not only will you get numbers, but a picture too.
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