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New physics advance explains water's weird behaviours

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Conundrum
Mon Aug 01 2011, 08:06PM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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While he was at it, he also explained why living organisms cannot be revived if cooled below -45C even if no ice crystals form..

Basically it is a form of low temperature denaturation of proteins, like a mild version of cooking.

-A
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Chip Fixes
Tue Aug 02 2011, 01:58AM
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Wait, was something added to the water in the video?Because if I put a bottle of water in the freezer overnight, it will freeze
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Forty
Tue Aug 02 2011, 02:07AM
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i think it has to be distilled water.
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Patrick
Tue Aug 02 2011, 04:44AM
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DI or distilled does not have as many nucleation sites for the freezing to start from, i think. Could be wrong.
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Bjørn
Tue Aug 02 2011, 11:48AM
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The water just needs to be clean in a clean container. It will not boil either at normal temperature which can be extremely dangerous. I have heated water in the microwave that did not boil until I dropped something in it later.

If you have a glass of carbonated liquid and you see some bubbles coming from points in the glass then those are the nucleation sites where the boiling/freezing starts first. The more bubbles you get the dirtier your glass is.

If you want to try the freezing trick then the size of the particles that will act as an effective nucleation site will decrease with temperature. Since your container never will be completely clean there will be some temperature where it will freeze. So take it out of the freezer before it gets too cold.

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Patrick
Tue Aug 02 2011, 01:12PM
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Bjørn wrote ...

The water just needs to be clean in a clean container. It will not boil either at normal temperature which can be extremely dangerous. I have heated water in the microwave that did not boil until I dropped something in it later.

If you have a glass of carbonated liquid and you see some bubbles coming from points in the glass then those are the nucleation sites where the boiling/freezing starts first. The more bubbles you get the dirtier your glass is.

If you want to try the freezing trick then the size of the particles that will act as an effective nucleation site will decrease with temperature. Since your container never will be completely clean there will be some temperature where it will freeze. So take it out of the freezer before it gets too cold.


Yes, i too Have done the explosive boiling experiment, scary some people have been sent to the ER by being injured this way.
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cduma
Tue Aug 02 2011, 01:54PM
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This gives me an excuse not to wash my dishes
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Chip Fixes
Thu Aug 04 2011, 03:10AM
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Ah yes I just did the freezing water thing, very cool! Does anyone know of any good youtube videos of the explosive boiling experiment?
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Killa-X
Thu Aug 04 2011, 04:25AM
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Heh, the water freeze is a neat trick, i learned it about 6 years ago in 6th grade science class, our teacher did it with a water bottle and same deal, hit it hard and it starts to freeze instantly. Always a fun trick to try =) Very cool though
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Adam Munich
Thu Aug 04 2011, 04:46AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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I guess this means that all those people whom have had their head/body cryogenically frozen are pretty much fuk'd...

Well looks like I'll tell them to keep it at -35*C wink
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