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Subway train can cause RF interference?

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hsieh
Tue Jul 05 2011, 07:42AM Print
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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My friend told me he once run his nitro powered RC car under the rail of subway system(Taipei metro Link2,_Taipei,_Rapid_transit,_Viaducts,_Composite_bridg es,_Taiwan.JPG ).when a train pass by,his RC car become out of control and crashed.

Why subway trains can cause RF interference?There aren't any subway system near my home,but there is a railway nearby the place I run my RC car,will electric locomotive cause interference?

Thanks

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Dr. Slack
Tue Jul 05 2011, 11:56AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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100s or 1000s of amps, with inductive energy storage in every wire it passes through, being broken from time to time by sliding contact with the distribution rail or wire, which is basically an antenna km long, you can bet your bottom dollar they will be causing RF interference.
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dude_500
Tue Jul 05 2011, 12:10PM
dude_500 Registered Member #2288 Joined: Wed Aug 12 2009, 10:42PM
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It's not uncommon for experiments with precision instrumentation here at MIT be run on a complete night schedule, working through the 12am-5am window of subway shutdown. They definitely cause big issues with electrical noise.
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Proud Mary
Tue Jul 05 2011, 01:18PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Here be a detailed investigation and report on EMI produced by railways:

Potential Electromagnetic Interference to Radio Services From Railways Final Report (AY4110) For Radiocommunications Agency

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Avalanche
Tue Jul 05 2011, 05:54PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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Proud Mary wrote ...

Here be a detailed investigation and report on EMI produced by railways:

Potential Electromagnetic Interference to Radio Services From Railways Final Report (AY4110) For Radiocommunications Agency

Link2



It's funny you should post that today, I have just spent the whole day witnessing York EMC testing a train - then I come home to this smile
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radiotech
Tue Jul 05 2011, 06:18PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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Electric tracked transportation systems have cause grief for communications
systems since they were invented.

They caused phone systems to need two wires instead of the single
wire and earth they had been using before.

Court cases, fought for years in the United States finally decided that
the telephone company did not in fact own the earth under the streets
insofar as preserving an electrically noise free conductor.
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hsieh
Wed Jul 06 2011, 01:14AM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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Of course,I know that today there are a lot of laws and regulations that prevent EMI. How can this interference problem happen?Is this problem unsolvable?
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Adam Munich
Wed Jul 06 2011, 02:52AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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hsieh wrote ...

Of course,I know that today there are a lot of laws and regulations that prevent EMI. How can this interference problem happen?Is this problem unsolvable?

It's allowed to happen because aside from mercury wetting the rails there isn't much that can be done about it.
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