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Chip Fixes
Thu May 19 2011, 04:35PM Print
Chip Fixes Registered Member #3781 Joined: Sat Mar 26 2011, 02:25AM
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I need two of them, smaller is better than large, and they have to be electric. At least 4,000 rpm, 6,000 would be better. Anyone know where to find them? Would a disk drive from a computer have one that's fast enough?
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klugesmith
Thu May 19 2011, 05:05PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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You need to be more specific about your requirements -- size,torque/power, etc.
Internet searches can do wonders. The following can all run at 4,000 rpm.
This line comes up to 9,000,000 watt output power. Link2

[edit] This might actually serve your purpose. A 4-mm-diameter pager motor for US $4.25, similar to the tail rotor motors in micro RC helicopters.
Link2

Wandering off topic, which is where to get motors, this one has a volume of less than 1 cubic mm.
Link2
But its world-record claim is bogus. I've seen a motor in 1/16 of a cubic mm, of conventional iron & magnet wire, made in 1960. (don't know if it can do 4000 rpm, but bet it can).
Link2
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Fraggle
Thu May 19 2011, 11:40PM
Fraggle Registered Member #1526 Joined: Mon Jun 09 2008, 12:56AM
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Hard drive motor are lightweight and 7200rpm (!) aren`t they. You have to make a circuit to drive them or use the electronics from the drive.
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magnet18
Fri May 20 2011, 12:28AM
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Some simple kits might serve your purpose, they usually use a worm gear followed by step down, but that can be changed.
What are you using this for?
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Chip Fixes
Fri May 20 2011, 01:12AM
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Ah sorry, should have been more specific. It's for this project: Link2
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magnet18
Fri May 20 2011, 01:43AM
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I would go with a hard drive, you might need to get clever to drive it though wink
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klugesmith
Fri May 20 2011, 02:03AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Fraggle wrote ...

Hard drive motor are lightweight and 7200rpm (!) aren`t they. You have to make a circuit to drive them or use the electronics from the drive.

I've found it easy to spin up a hard drive motor by figuring out where to apply 12V and an enable signal to the motor-control-board connector. Wish I had thought to measure the voltage on all connector pins with the HDD running normally, before taking it apart.

You can also use an electronic speed control for "brushless DC" motors, available at hobby stores.

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For your spinning copper cylinders, consider AC or DC motors from discarded electric tools (including e.g. blenders and vacuum cleaners), either corded or cordless.
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2Spoons
Fri May 20 2011, 05:17AM
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If you can't get the speed you want, you could simply use larger diameter cylinders - its surface speed, not rpm, that matters. You can use aluminium too, but it needs to be thicker than copper for the same effect.
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Steve Conner
Fri May 20 2011, 06:33AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Looks like a sewing machine motor, maybe you can find one at a yard sale etc. You get the speed control pedal with it.

The kinds of motors suggested by Rich are pretty much the same, except for the attachment on the shaft.

Could you get something to levitate above a spinning hard disk platter? Most of them are aluminium.
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Shrad
Fri May 20 2011, 09:53AM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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you might want to try to adapt a CD-ROM drive spinning motor

all you need is rewinding the motor with thicker wire and drive it with a brushless motor driver

several people use this method to achieve thousands of RPM with decent torque for model planes, so it should be nice for a small and powerful motor
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