Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 70
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
All today's birthdays', congrats!
Capper (60)
cereus (73)
Mcanderson (43)


Next birthdays
11/05 Capper (60)
11/05 cereus (73)
11/05 Mcanderson (43)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: General Science and Electronics
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

What would be the best Electro Shock Weapon?

1 2 
Move Thread LAN_403
LIGHT
Wed Apr 06 2011, 09:03PM Print
LIGHT Banned on 4/6/2011 for unsafe, irresponsible behavior.
Registered Member #3442 Joined: Fri Nov 26 2010, 04:09AM
Location: ....
Posts: 114
I've made a few 'camera tasers', and they are actually very inefficient as there 330~ volts, and cannot penetrate clothes, and it is a cap discharge so the current is wuite dangerous too, I was thinking is there such thing as a 'mini flyback' and a driver for it?
Back to top
Inducktion
Wed Apr 06 2011, 09:15PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 1068
LIGHT wrote ...

I've made a few 'camera tasers', and they are actually very inefficient as there 330~ volts, and cannot penetrate clothes, and it is a cap discharge so the current is wuite dangerous too, I was thinking is there such thing as a 'mini flyback' and a driver for it?

....Yeah, use a camera taser, with a smaller capacitor. It'll give the same voltage shock but at much much reduced current levels.

Or, try finding a really really really small cap, and use a flyback to charge it with the appropriate voltage levels.

See, coming with a electro shock weapon isn't exactly safe. There is no "safe" way of electrocuting someone, because everyone is different and thus reacts different to an electrical shock. Some may just say ouch. Some, if wet, may actually go into cardiac fibrillation, and could die as a result. So, in general, try not to make any electrical shock weapons. Find some other way that's not so dangerous.

Think about it; why are tasers so controversial?
Back to top
big5824
Wed Apr 06 2011, 09:15PM
big5824 Registered Member #1687 Joined: Tue Sept 09 2008, 08:47PM
Location: UK, Darlington
Posts: 240
I really wouldnt mess with this kind of thing.....skin resistance can vary so wildly, from 100kohm for dry skin, 1-10kohm for wet, and as little as 100ohm if you happen to draw blood (which then links directly to the heart).
Back to top
LIGHT
Wed Apr 06 2011, 09:38PM
LIGHT Banned on 4/6/2011 for unsafe, irresponsible behavior.
Registered Member #3442 Joined: Fri Nov 26 2010, 04:09AM
Location: ....
Posts: 114
Yes, say you would make a flyback powered ES weapon, and the plasma burn skin and draws blood, the current although low from the flyback can be deadly, how would a 400v 2uF cap be on a camera taser?
Back to top
Inducktion
Wed Apr 06 2011, 09:41PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 1068
LIGHT wrote ...

Yes, say you would make a flyback powered ES weapon, and the plasma burn skin and draws blood, the current although low from the flyback can be deadly, how would a 400v 2uF cap be on a camera taser?

A low powered flyback driver to charge a capacitor. Not the flyback itself. That's dangerous.
Back to top
LIGHT
Wed Apr 06 2011, 09:45PM
LIGHT Banned on 4/6/2011 for unsafe, irresponsible behavior.
Registered Member #3442 Joined: Fri Nov 26 2010, 04:09AM
Location: ....
Posts: 114
So a 400v 2uF will hurt, but be harmless?

I dont know how to work out amperage from caps.
Back to top
Inducktion
Wed Apr 06 2011, 10:22PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 1068
LIGHT wrote ...

So a 400v 2uF will hurt, but be harmless?

I dont know how to work out amperage from caps.

I just wouldn't use it at all to be honest. It's too dangerous and unpredictable.
Back to top
LIGHT
Wed Apr 06 2011, 10:29PM
LIGHT Banned on 4/6/2011 for unsafe, irresponsible behavior.
Registered Member #3442 Joined: Fri Nov 26 2010, 04:09AM
Location: ....
Posts: 114
Would this have any high voltage components?

Link2
Back to top
Renesis
Wed Apr 06 2011, 10:43PM
Renesis Registered Member #2028 Joined: Mon Mar 16 2009, 08:13PM
Location: Norway
Posts: 319
Ever noticed how taser guns are referred to as less lethal, as opposed to non-lethal? You just cant give a person a noticable electrical shock and still guarantee his safety, because how a body will react to electric currents is notoriously unpredictable. Even the smallest shocks can kill in extreme cases.

Considering this, its not difficult to understand why the members of this forum are hesitant of giving you schematics and exact capacitor values and such.

I read in your previous thread that you had shocked yourself with a 100uF capacitor charged to 400V. That's nasty, and it sendt an eerie chill down my spine. I dont want to be mean, but reading through your previous posts i cant help but thinking that you might not fully understand what you are dealing with. I'd advise you to put the taser idea on ice for now, and gain some more experience playing with safer projects.
Back to top
LIGHT
Wed Apr 06 2011, 10:46PM
LIGHT Banned on 4/6/2011 for unsafe, irresponsible behavior.
Registered Member #3442 Joined: Fri Nov 26 2010, 04:09AM
Location: ....
Posts: 114
To be honest, I'm actually going to leave this stuff alone, and I'm going to build a another Flyback SGTC.

Yes I was shocked with a 400v 100uF cap, by accident, It burned a hole in my finger, it knocked me on my ***.

Can TC's be powered from Ignition coils?
Back to top
1 2 

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.