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Inducktion
Sat Mar 26 2011, 06:49PM Print
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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How come they don't make variacs like that? This gives the addition of isolation, and allows amperage to be changed with the amount of turns.

It would have the same construction as a variac, with the primary in the center and the secondary windings on the outside.

How come they don't do this, or do they? If they do, what is it called?
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haxor5354
Sat Mar 26 2011, 07:15PM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
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costs more to make?
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Experimentonomen
Sat Mar 26 2011, 07:16PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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They do make variacs like that but they are very expensive so you don't see them often, and they look virtually the same as any other variac so you cant tell unless you take it apart.
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Proud Mary
Sat Mar 26 2011, 07:48PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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I use an industrial isolation transformer in front of my main variable transformer - in front of everything in fact, as all 12 sockets on my bench are fed by it.
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Finn Hammer
Sat Mar 26 2011, 08:48PM
Finn Hammer Registered Member #205 Joined: Sat Feb 18 2006, 11:59AM
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Inducktion wrote ...

How come they don't make variacs like that? This gives the addition of isolation, and allows amperage to be changed with the amount of turns.
Mr. "Inducktion", sir!

Allow me to quote from page 4 in
The Art Of Electronics - 2nd Edition
Paul Horowitz
Winfield Hill:
------------------------------------------------- --
Incidentally, don't call current "amperage";
that's strictly bush-league. The same
caution will apply to the term "ohmage"
when we get to resistance in the next
section.
------------------------------------ ---------------

Just thought you'd find that usefull, some day wink

-Finn Hammer
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James
Sat Mar 26 2011, 11:44PM
James Registered Member #3610 Joined: Thu Jan 13 2011, 03:29AM
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It's MUCH easier to wind a single layer of turns. If you look at how a variac is made, it's a layer of turns on a toroidal form which is varnish impregnated to hold it all in place. Then the bottom edge of the windings is ground flat to make a surface the wiper can ride on. If you had to have a separate primary, it would have to be very neatly wound under the secondary, it can and has been done, but it's much harder so it's more expensive.
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radiotech
Sun Mar 27 2011, 03:12AM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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This is the winding diagram of a "variac" used in
the Eico power pack of about 1960s era. It is
hanging on the wall of my shop, It has three
pairs of windings and two contact sliders.

Rough drawing from note file; This seems to
be made for maximum copper efficiency with
a split core and 3 layers.


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