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magnet18
Tue Mar 22 2011, 03:48AM Print
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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Hi everyone, I'm new but I plan to stick around :)
My question-
I'm trying to create a frequency with the 555 at about 20-30kHz, but when I try at high frequencies, i just get a constant high output, no pulses. I'm using this to drive a flyback, hopefully for a plasma speaker, so I'm not sure if this goes in the high voltage section or here, It's more of a circuit problem, so I'm putting it here but if a mod wants to move it by all means please do.

I'm following this schematic;
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with a 10nF cap, a 1K resistor for R1, and a 2K resistor for R2, which should be 28kHz if I did my math right; any ideas what I'm doing wrong? can the 555 not handle these high frequencies? because it was working with a 10K pot for R1 and R2 with a 10nF making about a 4kHz arc, I can't think why it wouldn't be working with these values :(
(yes, I have a decoupling cap on pin 8)

Thanks in advance :)
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Proud Mary
Tue Mar 22 2011, 02:08PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Hi Magnet! smile

Isn't there a design rule saying that R2 should not be less than 3kΩ?

The maximum frequency of oscillation for the standard 555 is 500kHz, though it can be made to work higher than this with reduced performance.

The CMOS variants of 555 can oscillate at up to 2MHz.

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Experimentonomen
Tue Mar 22 2011, 04:21PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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A easier version is using only one resistor which goes to pin 3.
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IamSmooth
Tue Mar 22 2011, 10:03PM
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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Try R1 = 10k, R2 = 20k and C1 = 0.001uf
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magnet18
Wed Mar 23 2011, 03:31AM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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Thanks guys, using a 10K, 22K, and 1nF gave me a perfect 25kHz :D
@proud mary, It would appear there is, I'll keep that in mind from now on. in addition, one of the guys over at AAC pointed out that I need 100 ohms for every volt on the Vcc for R1.
@experimentonomen, I have never heard of that, voltage in on the output pin!?
@IamSmooth, yep, that did the trick :D
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Arcstarter
Wed Mar 23 2011, 03:57AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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The rule of thumb i go by when making a 555 oscillator, is that if you keep R1 1Kohm and R2 some typical value like 10Kohm, the output will be very close to 50% duty. So, if you are not pleased with your duty %, just use 1k for R1 and change R2 to keep the frequency you want.

But, about the circuit experimentonomen is speaking of uses the output of the 555 to charge the capacitor, instead of charging it with the v+ rail, through a resistor and diode. You can also use pin 3 as the source AND discharge, simply by not using a diode. These two circuits have no advantage in the case of performance.

However, there is one more circuit utilizing the output as the charge/discharge source for the cap that is very useful as a PWM control. Link2 (will open a java app)

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magnet18
Wed Mar 23 2011, 04:08AM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
Location: 1307912312 3766 FT117575 Indiana State
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That app is my new best friend :D
Thanks!
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