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ubuntupokemoninc
Fri Dec 17 2010, 09:39PM Print
ubuntupokemoninc Banned on 1/22/2011 for repeated rule violations after multiple warnings.
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So say you have a tube has a filament voltage of 6.3 volts, you power the filament up, put one probe of a multimeter on one filament pin, and the other probe on the pin for the grid and the multimeter reads about 3.3 volts, does that mean there is a grid to filament short?
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Myke
Sat Dec 18 2010, 12:08AM
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It's probably some amount of current generated by the grid picking up the electrons ejected by the cathode and collected by the grid. To check if there's a short, remove the tube and measure between all the elements. You should see no connections between them (unless... of course, there's an intentional connection shown in the datasheet). To test if the tube is good, set it up like it's supposed to be and see how closely the transfer characteristics match the datasheet.
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ubuntupokemoninc
Sat Dec 18 2010, 12:26AM
ubuntupokemoninc Banned on 1/22/2011 for repeated rule violations after multiple warnings.
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the tube is an 811a remake, i checked this with nothing else wired up, it never worked on my vttc
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IamSmooth
Sat Dec 18 2010, 01:18AM
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Take the tube in your hand and measure for a short between the filament pins. You should see one.

Now, measure for a short between one of the filament pins and the HV pin. It should not read a short.
Now, measure for a short between a filament pin and the grid. Again, there should not be a short.

Of course, the best test is to see if it works. You could also build a tube tester
Link2

If you want to get more technical:
1. Connect your DC filament voltage
2. Connect your DC HV to the plate-filament. Have a DC current meter set to read the current going through the plate. As you increase the plate voltage the current will go up.

3. Now you can test the grid. If you have a negative DC voltage source, connect it to the grid-filament (filament is ground for the plate and grid). As you apply more negative voltage the plate current will go down.


Don't worry about testing the transconductance at this point.

The tester I am referencing on Youtube works closely to this description.
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ubuntupokemoninc
Sat Dec 18 2010, 02:00AM
ubuntupokemoninc Banned on 1/22/2011 for repeated rule violations after multiple warnings.
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what is a simple circuit a can build with an 811a, maybe drawing arcs with it, apply -dc to the grid and if it doesn't arc its, tube in series with mot.
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ubuntupokemoninc
Sat Dec 18 2010, 03:20AM
ubuntupokemoninc Banned on 1/22/2011 for repeated rule violations after multiple warnings.
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I think i'm gonna screw the whole 811a tube idea and go with this Link2

is this guy any good he has 100% positive mistrust
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Wyatt
Sat Dec 18 2010, 03:23AM
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Might it be a problem with the filament supply?
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ubuntupokemoninc
Sat Dec 18 2010, 04:07AM
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both 6.3 volts:-D
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