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General questions re: Voltage multipliers

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quicksilver
Thu Dec 09 2010, 08:15PM Print
quicksilver Registered Member #1408 Joined: Fri Mar 21 2008, 03:49PM
Location: Oracle, AZ
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I had wondered if anyone had found a more consistent method of making a spark gap for a Marx generator? That is, some pre-manufactured or substitute format to replace the "DIY wire style" spark gap so that consistency could be maintained as well as a degree of ruggedness.

My other question pertained to a Croft Walton design. I had read of some folks using a resistor to protect the components and found this:
Link2
Is there a formula & / or reason why the use of a resistor would have benefit (safety issues in grounding, etc)in a three or four stage CW? Or is this simply to lower current levels to match capacitive strength?

Thank you.
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Proud Mary
Thu Dec 09 2010, 08:44PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
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Dome head nuts are available all the way up to M24 and probably even larger than that.


1291926345 543 FT0 Dome Head Nuts


Since they are mounted at the end of a machine screw, you can adjust your gap to a high degree of precision, and then lock it.

As for the C&W output protection resistor, it is there to ensure that a catastrophic discharge doesn't exceed the surge current rating of costly diodes.
Its value is chosen so that a direct short to Earth at the output voltage doesn't exceed the diodes' maximum surge current, a simple
Ohm's Law matter.

For example, if the output voltage is 10kV, and the maximum short circuit current must not exceed 1mA, then a 10MΩ
10W resistor would be selected.




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quicksilver
Thu Dec 09 2010, 10:21PM
quicksilver Registered Member #1408 Joined: Fri Mar 21 2008, 03:49PM
Location: Oracle, AZ
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I appreciated you taking the time.
I have seen so many designs that used some fairly high priced diodes, that I thought perhaps there was a realistic answer to protecting them.
I'm not sure what you fellows get at Farnell's but in the States, even if we have a company buy for us, many places are just outrageously high priced on HV diodes.
Many of the "specialty HV firms" are particularly over priced.

The Dome Heads are a great idea; I may just give it a go. I never mind putting work into something if it will last. Bending small wires to make a gap seems like the Legend of "Sisyphus & the Stone". smile
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GluD
Thu Dec 09 2010, 10:43PM
GluD Registered Member #1221 Joined: Wed Jan 09 2008, 06:17PM
Location: Odense, Denmark
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I used 3mm "dome heads" for a 14 stage marx, it wasnt super stable but its sure nicer than wires. My avatar is one of the discharges from that marx generator smile
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radhoo
Fri Dec 10 2010, 05:10PM
radhoo Registered Member #1938 Joined: Sun Jan 25 2009, 12:44PM
Location: Romania
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I recently designed this compact CW multiplier: Link2

You might be interested in the bipolar approach.
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quicksilver
Fri Dec 10 2010, 06:21PM
quicksilver Registered Member #1408 Joined: Fri Mar 21 2008, 03:49PM
Location: Oracle, AZ
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@GLuD: That is a cute shot. I'm determined to make something that's stable enough to not be a fragile "one-time-wonder.

@radhoo; I like the way you used the simplified ZVS schematic. My design will most likely be very similar.

I would like to mention that I got my order from
OT ELECTRONICS (they ship all over the world and their prices are what I've been VERY happy with! I really recommend them
Link2
as they have all the needed parts for CW multipliers & have beaten the pants off most places in the United States in costs for small orders. So it's the same shipping for Europe as the USA.
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GluD
Fri Dec 10 2010, 10:19PM
GluD Registered Member #1221 Joined: Wed Jan 09 2008, 06:17PM
Location: Odense, Denmark
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Heres how I did it


As I said its not super stable, but I suspect thats because I didnt take the time to tune the bolts and "dome heads" finely enough, plus I dont have active triggering, it just shoots off whenever theres enough volts to jump the first gap. I wouldnt call it a one time wonder, although the picture was (almost), took over a hundred photos only two had sparks in them.



1292019553 1221 FT102845 Stuff 015
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quicksilver
Fri Dec 10 2010, 10:23PM
quicksilver Registered Member #1408 Joined: Fri Mar 21 2008, 03:49PM
Location: Oracle, AZ
Posts: 679
Makes me jealous enough to start one! I love the durability. I've made several but they always would up in the "de-solder drawer". This time, I'm going to make a "keeper"!
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