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I took this from HV wikki
"Note that powering a Microwave Oven Transformer outside the original oven carries the risk of injury or death due to electrical shock. In most countries this would be illegal and should never be attempted except by qualified persons."
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I couldn't see it being "illegal" to work with a microwave oven transformer but I would assume that you take on a certain level of liability with any project. For example if someone was to get injured or killed.
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No, I don't think it is illegal at all.
If you powered up the magnetron outside of the oven, and knocked out everyone's wi-fi in a two block radius, well, that would be illegal. I'm sure you'd be breaking some sort of FCC (or your local equivalent) law about the maximum power for unlicensed 2.4GHz transmissions.
And, if you electrocuted yourself, in some countries suicide is technically illegal. But you could always argue that it was an accident.
But I think it's a basic human right to be able to dismantle any of your household appliances on your own property.
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One can forsee a number of instances where operation of an uprooted MOT might touch upon the law in the UK/EU.
1) In the re-sale of such a transformer as part of 'consumer goods.'
2) In a case of civil negligence proceedings related to fire, accident, and so on.
3) In relation to cases concerned with disputes over insurance claims.
4) In civil cases related to 'Duty of Care'.
It is difficult to see who would be a 'qualified' person so far as the law is concerned, and none of these issues could be called 'illegal' in the sense of being a matter for the police.
To operate the magnetron of a microwave oven in such a way as to radiate more than so many microwatts of RF energy (I don't know how many, but a small number certainly) without a license or other dispensation from the (privatized) government communications agency is an offence under the Wireless Telegraphy Act and could end up as a police matter in the unlikely event of enforcement.
But I don't think these instances were what the HV Wiki author had in mind. He just scribbled down the first load of old bollox that came into his head. We will probably find that he is his own idea of the 'qualified' person authorised by Jesus to disembowel microwave ovens, whilst children of a lesser god can only look on in awe and wonder.
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radiotech wrote ...
Here is a definition of a 'Qualified Person' taken from a code that is adopted as law in many places.
Qualified Person- 'one familiar with the construction and operation of the apparatus and the hazards involved.'
A scenariaro "Mr. Brown operated a switch on a transformer and the transformer failed killing Mr. Brown.
Mr. Brown worked under the supervision of qualified people, but made an error.
Workmen's compensation then paid a pension to Mr. Brown's widow because it was a workplace accident.
Mr. Brown's employer was then charged with failing to protect Mr. Brown by providing the training necessary to make Mr. Brown a qualified person.
I should perhaps have stressed for a second time in my post that my remarks concerned the United Kingdom only - a jurisdiction where legal argument over the meaning of terms like 'qualified person' can keep barristers very gainfully employed for years without producing anything very definite at the end of it.
A much celebrated case that went on for months revolved around whether or not garden snails could be considered to be torva bestia - wild animals - or whether they should be considered as domestic animals, over which the owner of the garden could be held to be responsible. If the snails were found to be torva bestia, then the man who threw the snails into his neighbour's garden could not be held responsible for the snails' subsequent conduct, in that they had damaged cabbages in the neighbour's garden.
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Proud Mary wrote ...
But I don't think these instances were what the HV Wiki author had in mind. He just scribbled down the first load of old bollox that came into his head. We will probably find that he is his own idea of the 'qualified' person authorised by Jesus to disembowel microwave ovens, whilst children of a lesser god can only look on in awe and wonder.
Hahahahaha! Classic! And also probably very true.
I have lost count of the number of times some fool declared that things I do are "illegal". Illegal seems to be a buzzword used by people who simply can`t comprehend the intricacies of a given situation, action or idea.
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It is often impossible to find out exactly what is legal and what is illegal. First of you have the laws, then you you have a thick book with regulations. Both of them contains words and phrases like norm, accepted norm, appliance, installation, fixed installation, permanent, qualified, safe... Without proper definitions you would often need a trial to find out for sure if something is legal or not.
In some countries you have statements like "You are allowed to change plugs with ratings up to 25 A on free moving cables.", implying that everything else is illegal. Even finding out if that is a law, regulation or recommendation often takes half a day and you have gotten no further since you still don't know if it applies to high voltage prototypes made by someone with your qualifications.
To be sure you need to look up the laws and possibly consult an expert on the relevant laws. Asking electricians and internet forums will never give you a reliable answer.
Grenadier reflects common practice when he said "It may be illegal in a technical sense, but seriously who is going to care? ".
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