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Thomas F
Sat Nov 13 2010, 08:37PM Print
Thomas F Registered Member #503 Joined: Sun Nov 19 2006, 06:37PM
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A bit of a basic query :

Suppose I have a ferrite transfomer , is it right to find the start and end of the coils using an L meter ?
For example if L1 is inductance of one coil and L2 is the other.
End of L1 connected to start of L2 will give me a net value of L1+L2. End of L1 connected to end of L2 will give me L1-L2 ?
Is this a valid way to check ?


Thomas
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radiotech
Sat Nov 13 2010, 10:52PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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L1 +L2 +/- 2Lm will be rhe inductance.

Lm is the mutual inductance.

Locating start and end needs info on how
the winding was built. Then various tricks
can be used.
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Electra
Mon Nov 15 2010, 12:36AM
Electra Registered Member #816 Joined: Sun Jun 03 2007, 07:29PM
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Couldn’t you connect one winding to a sig generator as well as a scope probe for ch1 in parallel, then attach the ch2 scope probe’s to the other winding’s in turn and look for in phase or anti-phase condition.
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Thomas F
Mon Nov 15 2010, 07:36PM
Thomas F Registered Member #503 Joined: Sun Nov 19 2006, 06:37PM
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Thanks radiotech and electra,

Actually I have an LCR meter only.Hence I was looking for some L tricks.
Maybe I might kludge a signal generator from a PC sound card or something.

Thomas
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Steve Conner
Tue Nov 16 2010, 10:00AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Broadly speaking the idea is correct. You will measure more inductance when the two windings are in phase, than when they are out of phase.

But you don't measure L1+L2, L1-L2, because of the mutual inductance between them.

Another way of saying that is that the inductance is proportional to the square of the turns, so connecting two equal transformer windings in series-aiding gives 4 times the inductance of a single winding, not twice.

I think in series-opposing you basically just get twice the leakage inductance: nearly zero.
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