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Modern flyback input voltage requirements?

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V3rge
Sun Nov 07 2010, 06:15AM Print
V3rge Registered Member #3253 Joined: Wed Sept 29 2010, 12:21AM
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Hi guys, I have a common modern CRT flyback transformer, with the U-shaped pin layout and have tried every combination of the pins with each polarity with a 555 driver. I found that the very first and last pins seem to give the highest output voltage, which is still barely enough to arc with 12v across the coil which is obviously far away from what its capable of doing.

My question is, what input voltage are these flybacks designed to run at? I get the feeling its much higher than what i've been trying, but would like to know before I crank it any higher.
Also, what frequency are they designed to run at?

One last thing, when used in a CRT, its primary purpose is to create the electric field which accelerates the electrons I believe. In doing this, the HV side of the transformer does not conduct or arc since it is just applying a high potential across the plates, is it safe to assume that running a flyback with a continuously open circuit on the HV secondary will not damage the transformer?

Thanks
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Proud Mary
Sun Nov 07 2010, 09:01AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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What numbers and letters are printed on it?

We may be able to identify it, and get the datasheet from the HR Diemen site.
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Sulaiman
Sun Nov 07 2010, 10:55AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Most modern flybacks use around 100 to150 Vdc as a supply for the primary.

Provided that you don't drive the coil at or near resonance
(varies a lot, stay below 20 kHz for a TV lopt & 50 kHz for a monitor lopt)
an open-circuit secondary is not a problem.

Also, once working, be aware that very few lopt are designed for 5mA or more output,
so for reliability dont draw too much eht current.
Due to commercial considerations, lopt are only just reliable at rated kV/mA.

As above, find the lopt part number, data for most p/n can be found via t'internet.
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V3rge
Mon Nov 08 2010, 01:01AM
V3rge Registered Member #3253 Joined: Wed Sept 29 2010, 12:21AM
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Hmm that sort of primary voltage is much higher then I expected, not suprising though. The part number is LCE CF1388, it has 10 pins in the U-layout and 3 for the adjustable focus & screen module.
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Proud Mary
Mon Nov 08 2010, 09:43AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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V3rge wrote ...

Hmm that sort of primary voltage is much higher then I expected, not suprising though. The part number is LCE CF1388, it has 10 pins in the U-layout and 3 for the adjustable focus & screen module.

I looked in HR Diemen, and couldn't find a datasheet for you. To follow on from Sulaiman's comment, by far the most common primary operating voltage of modern LOPTs is 110V.
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Antonio
Mon Nov 08 2010, 12:01PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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It's possible to operate at lower voltages at lower frequency, leaving more time for current buildup in the primary before interrupting the current. Or you can wind a new primary around the exposed core with less turns and operate at low voltage and high current.
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Shrad
Mon Nov 08 2010, 06:15PM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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for "old" analogue TVs the resonant frequency is usually 31250Hz or so (If I remember well enough)

for PC monitors it should be somewhere between 30kHz and 50kHz

it is always synchronized with the line redraw clock (horizontal amplifier) to ease circuit design

my trinitron flybacks need 170V to get happy sparks ;)

with 10 turns of 1.5mm wire I need 50VDC at 4A to get big fat arcs
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Antonio
Mon Nov 08 2010, 06:39PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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Flyback transformers are not resonant. At least not at the frequencies where they are designed to operate. They are just transformers, usually with the output rectified.
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Proud Mary
Mon Nov 08 2010, 08:38PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Shrad wrote ...

for "old" analogue TVs the resonant frequency is usually 31250Hz or so (If I remember well enough)

The line frequency is 15.625kHz for PAL, and 15.734kHz for NSTC.
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