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Carbon_Rod
Tue Jan 22 2019, 07:40AM Print
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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I am looking for a tune-able or select-able filter with a very narrow pass-band under 5kHz wide at 1.2 to 2.5 GHz.

Does anyone know of such a device maker?

I am trying to measure orbital Doppler shifts with a homodyne receiver.

Cheers,
Rod
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2Spoons
Tue Jan 22 2019, 09:45PM
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So you want a filter with a Q of about 500,000.
That seems unlikely to me.
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Sulaiman
Tue Jan 22 2019, 10:06PM
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Link2

I've not tried this model but an SDR would work Link2

for a lot more work (tuneable down-converter front end)
you could use the much cheaper usb SDR types Link2

Judging by the older stuff that I have, and the newer stuff available, a cheap SDR for your frequencies of interest should be available soon.

If you are doing relative measurements then the above will work,
if you want absolute measurements then the internal oscillators will not be stable or repeatable enough,
you will need something like a rubidium-based oscillator for the mixer clock(s)
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Plasma
Tue Jan 22 2019, 10:09PM
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Would a MOV with some signal basis filter it.
No experience in the above.
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2Spoons
Tue Jan 22 2019, 11:11PM
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I agree with sulaiman: superhet would be the more practical approach for a narrow band receiver.
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Carbon_Rod
Wed Jan 23 2019, 08:30PM
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@2Spoons
superhet is usually better for most types of problems as the fractional bandwidth of a filter design remains nearly the same, but the absolute bandwidth is much more narrow at a lower frequency.

This was not what I'm looking for, but thank you for the replies.
=)
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johnf
Thu Jan 24 2019, 06:19PM
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BAW filters already exist for this, maybe not the desired Q, but cascading slightly differing models would get close
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Sulaiman
Thu Jan 24 2019, 09:29PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Carbon_Rod wrote ...

I am looking for a tune-able or select-able filter with a very narrow pass-band under 5kHz wide at 1.2 to 2.5 GHz.

Does anyone know of such a device maker?

I am trying to measure orbital Doppler shifts with a homodyne receiver.

Cheers,
Rod
I do not believe that there is such a thing as a very low bandwidth, GHz range, tuneable filter that is practical,
unless frequency mixing is involved.

You are using homodyne detection ?
How ?
Maybe you mean heterodyne ?
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Carbon_Rod
Fri Jan 25 2019, 12:48AM
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@johnf
I came to the same conclusion of using bypass signal switching, chaining bpf windows, and managed to find a few sub 10Mhz-ish bw SAW filters that look promising given they overlap the area of interest. Unfortunately, this design also means the insertion losses will necessitate an awful lot wrangling to get it to behave as each stage will need a matching network, and the noise floor may ultimately come up too high to grab the weaker signals.

@Sulaiman
Indeed, some trivial problems can get ridiculous rather quickly. Yet if it were easy it wouldn't be any fun.. I may end up having to stick everything in a temperature controlled oven to keep the tuning stable, but I can only handle one issue at a time.. wink

Cheers,
Rod
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