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Transforming pulsed HV into DC or AC?

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Amrit Deshmukh
Mon Jun 11 2018, 08:48AM Print
Amrit Deshmukh Registered Member #63044 Joined: Sun Jun 10 2018, 06:58PM
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Hi forum, Amrit here!

I just started experimenting with HV, it's a completely new world to me. Though I know what I want to achieve - I'm a bit unsure of how to implement it, therefore I'm would kindly ask you for some valuable hints and advice that would point me in most convenient direction, then I can connect the dots myself..

Here is my PSIM model, It's a standard MOT with a voltage doubler, and I used a switch to simulate a spark gap with a random frequency of 100Hz. :

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OBJECTIVE: Connect something to the circuit that will transform the ~4KV pulsed into something more practical e.g. <300V DC or AC

As I understand, the voltage doubler may not be the correct way to go, as it wants to look into an impedance of ~100Kohm, this might limit the type of load available. Alternatively I can make it with two MOT's and some diode bridge for rectification, eliminating the voltage doubler.

Cordial regards
Amrit
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Amrit Deshmukh
Mon Jun 11 2018, 01:48PM
Amrit Deshmukh Registered Member #63044 Joined: Sun Jun 10 2018, 06:58PM
Location: Denmark
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In the meantime I dabbled around with PSIM and came up with below solution, now my question is; do I need to wear blast proof underwear or will it work more or less as per simulation? I ask because both HV and PSIM are new to me, so it would be nice to hear the sentiments of experience.

It seems if I don't draw more than ~500mA on the output, it can sustain the voltage (Vrec)

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Here are the simulation traces

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radiotech
Tue Jun 12 2018, 05:18AM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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You need to understand the safety aspects of grounding, and be able to measure
the power in watts that your experiment consumes.

Nothing you do will be of use if you injure yourself,
or someone else, or cause property damage (fire).

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Signification
Tue Jun 12 2018, 09:22AM
Signification Registered Member #54278 Joined: Sat Jan 17 2015, 04:42AM
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The older microwave ovens have a voltage doubler--it consists of the diode and capacitor. They are wired in a swapped configuration of a normal half-wave rectifier. Find a simple schematic and you will see. The MOT makes everything VERY LETHAL...just one simple slip--especially to a beginner in high voltage.

You should try a safe transformer connected to a Cockcroft-Walten voltage multiplier. This will safely (relatively) get you kilovolts DC, the parts are dirt cheap and it can be wired for full or half wave rectification!
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Amrit Deshmukh
Tue Jun 12 2018, 09:46AM
Amrit Deshmukh Registered Member #63044 Joined: Sun Jun 10 2018, 06:58PM
Location: Denmark
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Dear Sirs

Thank you for your well meaning safety concerns, please be advised that I'm a Hindu and as such we have a fatalistic perspective on life i.e. if it's your time to die - it's your time to die, high voltage or not. Therefore my personal safety is of no particular concern to me, I was merely asking for the sake of innocent bystanders, I think I will build a blast screen to avoid annoying shrapnel in all directions.

Anyway speaking of dirt cheap, I ordered a 6KV/30mA NST from Aliexpress for $13, let's see if that will be any good.

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radiotech
Tue Jun 12 2018, 05:56PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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I am a master electrician licensed to work on any electrical system in my
Provincial jurisdiction. Your attitude about personal safety would not be
acceptable on any crew, or union, or in any company I have worked in
the past 50 years.

When work is done on live high voltage apparatus, everyone qualified
to be on a worksite is responsible for own their safety,
and that of everyone else.


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teravolt
Tue Jun 12 2018, 06:54PM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
Location: Berkeley, ca.
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HV is to be respected and may or may not kill but may severely injure !!!! On the other hand you want to make something and learn. what you want to do is not very efficient. What is its end purpose if I may ask?
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