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Steve Conner
Sun Nov 07 2010, 12:32PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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wrote ...
Without an air gap in the x-former the ZVS went into the craziest oscillations my oscilloscope had ever seen.

Yes, also, if you don't have enough of an airgap, the non-linearity of the ferrite can make the circuit oscillate in a really weird mode. I think you get ferroresonance and the regular LC resonance happening simultaneously. It goes chaotic and you get squeals of various frequencies, a hiss like frying bacon, or whatever.

Try making a ZVS with a toroidal ferrite core and see it for yourself. I did, and it had me scratching my head for days as to why it wouldn't work right. I had to switch to an E core with an air gap.

Anyway, these are not 60Hz ZVS any more.

A CFL won't necessarily work off high frequency AC. They have a rectifier, but the diodes are the ordinary slow type. Ones from 230 volt countries will run fine off 320V DC, but American ones may or may not run off 160V DC. Some of the American ones have a voltage doubler rectifier that won't pass DC at all.
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haxor5354
Sun Nov 07 2010, 02:13PM
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i forgot how long the primary was, but the secondary was 3.5 meters
1289139177 2063 FT99675 Dsc01013
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Adam Munich
Sun Nov 07 2010, 05:23PM
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@haxor
That doesn't exactly help me since I need to know the number of turns, not the length of the wire. Besides, it appears that won't work anyway because it doesn't have an air gap. Try using a FBT core like me.

@others
Today I'll try winding the primary over the secondary to see if that helps wit the current problem. I also want to test if a full wave rectifier will allow this to power CFLs and a SMPSs, but I don't have any UF400X diodes. I'll have to order some today.

As for not being 60hz anymore, I know we're kind of off-topic but I feel the real topic was "how do I make an inverter?",
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altimicus
Sun Nov 07 2010, 10:38PM
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Going back to topic, there's a alternative to make a 120 VAC inverter making a "pure sine" wave... you can use a Bubba oscillator with a pwm generator.

THis link explains perfectly and I have made one very similar to this one and use in my car http://www.wpi.edu/Pubs/E-project/Available/E-project-042507-092653/unrestricted/MQP_D_1_2.pdf.
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haxor5354
Mon Nov 08 2010, 12:48AM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
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Grenadier wrote ...

@haxor
That doesn't exactly help me since I need to know the number of turns, not the length of the wire. Besides, it appears that won't work anyway because it doesn't have an air gap. Try using a FBT core like me.

how many turns? well i have no idea, cuz i didn't count it when i was winding it. and it works fine for me so far, i hooked it up to my 12v ZVS and it steps it up to 33 volts and drops to 24 volts when i connect it to a DC motor. and i did have a FBT core lying around b4, but i accidentally dropped it and 1 of the U shaped ferrite broke in half.
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Adam Munich
Mon Nov 08 2010, 12:51AM
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No problem, super glue will fix that fine.

The voltage drops because the transformer is too small. It can't supply enough power to run the motor. A bigger transformer will give you more power. Try running a car headlamp on a small 12v wall wart and you'll see what I mean, it just won't happen.
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