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primary res is too high in drsstc.

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william L
Mon Oct 25 2010, 06:10AM Print
william L Registered Member #3093 Joined: Mon Aug 09 2010, 11:40PM
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So, I almost finished with my mini brute drsstc, but I have a problem. While I was tuning my primary circuit, I found out that it's lowest frequency possible is too high for my secondary. (minimum frez is 350khz for the primary, secondary frez is 194khz w/ topload.) My question is, Do you think it is all right to have two CDE caps in parallel which are series w/ one?
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Goodchild
Mon Oct 25 2010, 04:01PM
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What are the values of the caps? How many are you using in series/parallel?
What is the size of your primary?
Also how do you know it is oscillating at 350KHz?
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william L
Mon Oct 25 2010, 07:19PM
william L Registered Member #3093 Joined: Mon Aug 09 2010, 11:40PM
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Goodchild wrote ...

What are the values of the caps? How many are you using in series/parallel?
What is the size of your primary?
Also how do you know it is oscillating at 350KHz?
The size of my capacitors are 0.33µf rated for 2000 volts, And I will be running 2 in parallel, which will be seriesed with one. (3 caps total)
I have a 7 inch diameter primary with 1/4th OD copper tubing. The reason I have the frequency values is because I used a signal generator to test for the lowest possible frequency. (highest up tap point)
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803
Mon Oct 25 2010, 07:37PM
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.33 uf is alot! That's 330 nf!


PAul
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Mads Barnkob
Mon Oct 25 2010, 07:41PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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803 wrote ...

.33 uf is alot! That's 330 nf!


PAul

But not at all too much for a DRSSTC whre larger tank capacitance seems to be better according to the experienced DRSSTC guys, my own DRSSTC uses a 0.45uF MMC.

2 parallel capacitors in series would, in the case of using 0.15uF capacitors, give 0.1uF where the series chain shares the voltage 50/50 but the single series capacitor will see the full current and will be the weak link in that setup. Wether it works is for you to stress your coil to find out :)
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william L
Mon Oct 25 2010, 08:47PM
william L Registered Member #3093 Joined: Mon Aug 09 2010, 11:40PM
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But not at all too much for a DRSSTC whre larger tank capacitance seems to be better according to the experienced DRSSTC guys, my own DRSSTC uses a 0.45uF MMC.

2 parallel capacitors in series would, in the case of using 0.15uF capacitors, give 0.1uF where the series chain shares the voltage 50/50 but the single series capacitor will see the full current and will be the weak link in that setup. Wether it works is for you to stress your coil to find out :)
OK thanks! I'll try it. It is that weak link I was worried about. Worst comes to worst I'll have to get new caps.
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Steve Ward
Fri Oct 29 2010, 06:01PM
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350khz? that cant be the lowest frequency.

With your caps arranged as such, the C is 0.22uF. To resonate at 350khz requires only 0.94uH, which is approximately the inductance of a single turn of wire at 7" diameter (actually its more like .78uH). Did you really only use 1 turn for the primary? If not, you did something wrong in your measurements or setup... check it all again. Make sure you understand what you are doing. A DRSSTC primary (even small ones) are generally several uH, which with .22uF capacitance will resonate well below 194khz (id also say 0.22uF is pretty big for that frequency, implying a very low tank impedance of 3.73 ohms).

Also, a capacitor arrangement like you mention is not very good, for one thing it puts 2X the voltage stress on the singled out cap, and that cap must also handle 2X the current as the paralleled pair.
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Herr Zapp
Fri Oct 29 2010, 08:42PM
Herr Zapp Registered Member #480 Joined: Thu Jul 06 2006, 07:08PM
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william -

You stated: " .....I used a signal generator to test for the lowest possible frequency."

Did you mean a signal generator AND an oscilloscope?

Can you describe, in detail, exactly how you measured the resonant frequency of your tank circuit?

Herr Zapp
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