Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 68
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
All today's birthdays', congrats!
Barry (70)
Snowcat (37)
wylie (43)


Next birthdays
02/01 Barry (70)
02/01 Snowcat (37)
02/01 wylie (43)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: Tesla Coils
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Strange GDT waveforms

Move Thread LAN_403
kiat
Wed Oct 20 2010, 10:21AM Print
kiat Registered Member #2115 Joined: Fri May 08 2009, 01:17PM
Location: Singapore
Posts: 46
Hi all

I just put together a simple antenna feedback SSTC from Steve Ward's SSTC5 http://www.stevehv.4hv.org/SSTC5.htm , using IRFP460 halfbridge.

With the halfbridge disconnected, driving a 50nf ceramic dummy cap, the waveform is here: (using a x10 probe) http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7716/dsc04282r.jpg . There is no gate damping resistor. The circuit draws around 0.7 amps at 15v (through a 12v regulator). Im using TC4429/TC4420 pair to drive a 3e25 material gdt. http://sg.farnell.com/ferroxcube/tn25-15-10-3e25/ferrite-core-tn25-15-10-3e25/dp/3056995?Ntt=3056995 . The core has 15 turns of cat-5 cable, with 2 secondary windings.

Without load, the GDT's waveform is nice and square with only a few volts of overshoot.

Anyone knows why the waveform looks so strange? I have a few TC4422's lying around if that helps.

Thanks,
kiat
Back to top
Wolfram
Wed Oct 20 2010, 10:46AM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
Location: Norway
Posts: 971
The gate capacitance of a typical IRFP460 is around 3nF (not counting the miller capacitance), so a half bridge of IRPF460s should represent about 6nF of capacitive load to the gate driver. You used a 50nF dummy load and this is way too much. From the scope shot, it looks like you're running around 300kHz, and I'm not surprised the gate driver is having trouble driving 50nF at this frequency. Replace the dummy cap by something around 6nF, or even better, the actual MOSFET gates, and the waveforms should get a lot nicer.


Anders M.
Back to top
kiat
Wed Oct 20 2010, 11:08AM
kiat Registered Member #2115 Joined: Fri May 08 2009, 01:17PM
Location: Singapore
Posts: 46
Hi Anders

The IRFP460 datasheet states a 2980pF input capacitance, and a 12.8nF 'switching on' gate capacitance. So, which value is taken? Anyways, i'm going to do some tests tomorrow with a 6.8 nf cap and a 27nF cap. I will also try it with the mosfet gates.

kiat
Back to top
HV Enthusiast
Wed Oct 20 2010, 06:49PM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
Location:
Posts: 3068
Effective gate capacitance is best approximated using Total Gate Charge value in the datasheet.

For the IRFP460, this is 105nC.

Using q=CV equation, solve for C. V = gate voltage swing which i believe in your case is 12V.

So 105nC/12V = C = 8.75nF.

This capacitance is actually quite difficult to determine mathmatically, especially since its non-linear, but as a first order of approximation, this works out just fine.


BTW - VERY STUPID question -

Why are you using capacitors as loads?

If you have IRFP460's, then just use them. Typically, you'd only calcualte gate capacitance if you had to simulate your gate driver. If you're testing and measuring - just use the real device.
Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.