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first SGTC, a little more planning than what I'm used to...

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Shrad
Sun Oct 10 2010, 02:01PM Print
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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Hi all

Since I have encountered too much failings with my small TC ideas, I'm going to make a simple but reliable SGTC

I have everything needed but I'm sure there are some points which need some enlightenment you could provide

I'm going to use my 4kV 25mA NST with a 23nF capacitor (a bit overrated compared to the recommended 19nF but that's the better combination with my doorknobs) and a 2.5mm² helical primary

So far, here are my calculations

Primary inductance : 8.98µH (10 turns 2.5mm² on 90mm form, helical)
Primary capacitor : 23.5nF
Primary resonant frequency : 347kHz

Secondary turns : 1500 (0.3mm diameter magnet wire)
Secondary inductance : 16.7mH
Secondary capacitance : 6.135pF
Topload : something between 8pF and 10pF
Secondary resonant frequency : 347kHz depending on topload

The doorknobs to be used are 4700pF 20kV pulsed units (from a nitrogen laser cartridge)

The outer right part is a triggered spark gap, could be useful to control triggering speed

Finally, as a load I have two alternatives, either a small tire or a glass globe, or the two depending what is best

Latest picture is from the primary and secondary forms yet to be wired


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After wiring those, I'll have to design a spark gap and was thinking of 3 sections of copper tube to have an uniform firing rate without too much heat to cope with

Do anyone think I'll need a safety gap for these ratings? I don't think it will be too powerful at only 100W of input power (transformer only draws 1.06 amperes from the line)

I prepare myself for sparks :D
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Shrad
Mon Oct 11 2010, 08:48PM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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simulation in ltspice gives me 300kVpp at topload with a 2p toroid and 400kVpp with a 10.4p combined sphere/toroid topload

I can't say if this is accurate so if anyone has a clue...

also I'm thinking of a special arrangement for my capacitors but fear parasitic inductance... should I put them in a range on copper bar or dispose them in circle with HV terminals in the middle?

I'm planning to wire the secondary in the next days, then form some copper bars out of piping, and screw everything on a wooden base
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Weston
Tue Oct 12 2010, 03:34AM
Weston Registered Member #1316 Joined: Thu Feb 14 2008, 03:35AM
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Safety gaps are always good. They are inexpensive to add compared to the price of a new NST. Have you tested you capacitors for capacitors for standoff voltage and capacitance? The bottom left one and the top right one appear to be chipped....
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Herr Zapp
Tue Oct 12 2010, 04:18AM
Herr Zapp Registered Member #480 Joined: Thu Jul 06 2006, 07:08PM
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Shrad -

As Weston noted, two of your caps are damaged, perhaps fatally. You mention that they were removed from a nitrogen laser "cartridge". Can you describe this cartridge, and how the capacitors were removed? The damage doesn't look like "chips", it looks like the capacitors were somehow attacked with a grinding wheel or something similar. I wouldn't count on using them in your tank circuit.

Herr Zapp
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Steve Conner
Tue Oct 12 2010, 01:15PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Maybe grinding them changes the capacitance for tuning? smile

I've seen that done with little ceramic disc caps, but I'd be surprised if it worked on a 20kV doorknob.
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Shrad
Tue Oct 12 2010, 04:46PM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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the capacitors are in perfect state, they were just grinded for allowing screws to pass

the model is like this one but with 5 capacitors instead of 2 :

Pd

they are rated for 20kV and are designed to work in a pulsed arrangement so they should behave nicely in a TC design
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