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dingo27
Sat Sept 11 2010, 10:37PM Print
dingo27 Registered Member #890 Joined: Tue Jul 10 2007, 10:06PM
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Hi, currently i am using antenna feedback and ground secondary transformer with 1:150 ratio, which worker fine at close - 20cm range, but i had to use quite long antenna - around 20cm - to get decent signal.

As i am testing feedback with longer distance (50-100cm) signal gets weak. TC starts to self detune and it also changes spark length - for example once it has 1cm sparks for 3 seconds, than 2cm for 5, and it continues to do that, even when i dont do anything near logic driver.

I use 74hc14 with 1n and 1n4148 clamping diodes, and around 47k resistor in series with current transformer.

Some help, how could i make it better, or some site which has some faq/advices about it?

Thanks for response.
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Gregory
Sat Sept 11 2010, 10:57PM
Gregory Registered Member #2922 Joined: Sun Jun 13 2010, 12:08AM
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i think that the 20cm antenna is normal
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Goodchild
Sun Sept 12 2010, 04:41PM
Goodchild Registered Member #2292 Joined: Fri Aug 14 2009, 05:33PM
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Wait you are using both the antenna and the current transformer at the same time?

Just use only the base CT and it should work fine every time.
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HV Enthusiast
Mon Sept 13 2010, 03:28PM
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Why do you need an antenna?

If you are using a current transformer on the secondary ground lead, then you don't need an antenna. Thats probably what is causing the issue.

Also, sensing feedback on the primary works much better than sensing secondary ground current.
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Goodchild
Mon Sept 13 2010, 06:40PM
Goodchild Registered Member #2292 Joined: Fri Aug 14 2009, 05:33PM
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EastVoltResearch wrote ...

Also, sensing feedback on the primary works much better than sensing secondary ground current.

That only works if you have resonant tank, in an ISSTC it's juts L and no C there for you can use the primary for feedback.
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dingo27
Tue Sept 14 2010, 08:39PM
dingo27 Registered Member #890 Joined: Tue Jul 10 2007, 10:06PM
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because feedback transformator doesnt kick tesla up, antenna will and when i use transformator it dramatically increase spark lenght

but i feel something is not right in feedback circuit, it needs more tuning.

And i also find out that maybe it is lack of power that is making such a crazy things

i will see, i will be testing it on pc psu with voltage converter, to tweak a things a little until i hook it up on line (and i must be damn sure about it, because, you know, i dont want do blow myself off)

on steve wards page i read somwhere that cascading CT's is better than many turns, i will also try that.
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dingo27
Sun Sept 26 2010, 09:16PM
dingo27 Registered Member #890 Joined: Tue Jul 10 2007, 10:06PM
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Well, i solved the problem, i was using 47k resistor in series with current sense (CS) secondary, which was weakening signal a lot, i removed it, and now it works fine. As antenna i am using outer coax cable (inner is TC secondary ground for current sense) but it doesnt make any difference if i connect it or not, so i guess CS is now working just fine.

Sorry for double post, just to let some people know if they will come with this kind of problem.
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