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Two tier Internet and net neutrality

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Conundrum
Sun Aug 29 2010, 10:17AM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
Posts: 4062
Hi all.

Seems that the latest trend currently being examined by ISPs is to sell multiple Internet "packages".
The problem here is that the lowest "budget" tier may only include very limited access to a few thousand sites that the ISPs deem "useful", where the site owners effectively pay a premium to allow these users to access them., everything else getting filtered or "bandwidth crippled".

This effectively means that many low bandwidth sites may get excluded from a large user base, as they are unable to afford the charges.

Is it just me or does this look exactly like censorship by stealth?
If this is allowed to continue to its logical conclusion it will be a profound blow to freedom of speech on the Internet, as large corporations with vested interests "buy up" the rights to administer smaller independent ISPs.

(source:- prisonplanet.tv)

-A

"Bother" said Pooh, as his ISP filtered out Youtube...


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Adam Munich
Sun Aug 29 2010, 02:49PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
Location: Cali-forn. i. a.
Posts: 2242
Goodbye internet! Lately there's been issues in my country, though definitely not as severe (yet). Google has "teamed up" with verizon, and it doesn't look too good for net neutrality...

Also with regards to the HF incident, you're still posting so you must not be dead. Either that or they have internet in heaven/hell.
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Mike
Tue Aug 31 2010, 04:19AM
Mike Registered Member #58 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:40AM
Location: Tri-Cities, Washington, US
Posts: 317
Yeah this is unbelievable. I actually read some idiot's rant about how we can't tell corporations what to do with the internet because we don't own it and it infringes on their rights. I couldn't believe someone was actually against net neutrality.

Anyway, if this does pan out for the worst, I'll be looking to start a pirate wireless protocol going world wide hehe
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Proud Mary
Tue Aug 31 2010, 08:07AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4992
I'm sure you are right, Andre, but what is to be done?
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Carbon_Rod
Tue Aug 31 2010, 12:24PM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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The real problem is that most "Net Neutrality" proposals are creating a new commodity market out of the top tier network data exchange.
Stratified market sector products can therefore maximize profits for large companies.

As such, there is little to no economic incentive to improve hardware infrastructure if the bandwidth demand can be manipulated via a consumer market's marginal propensity to save. Traditionally, the only service capacity solution was to increase backbone bandwidth, and there is currently quite an excess of dark fibre available for growth.

Thus, people will get a volatile profit model instead of faster/lower-priced service from "New" ISPs.

A new secondary infrastructure market will likely emerge.... I am sure Google and AT&T are very much aware of this possible outcome.


Google can only claim they "Do no Evil" for so long...
Unless of course... they redefine what "Evil" means.
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