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Modifying output of an NST

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HM_Murdock
Fri Aug 27 2010, 03:24PM Print
HM_Murdock Registered Member #3075 Joined: Fri Aug 06 2010, 02:44PM
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I am trying to get coronas and sparks like the ones in the super flyback driver video:

Link to Super Flyback Driver on Youtube

The arcs up close on that one are hot like the ones from my NST's, but when he draws them out (to what looks to be 6 or 7 inches), they get blue and multiply...he even gets blue/purple coronas at about 5 inches or so. Looks like Force Lightening or something...very cool.

Is it possible to get the output of my NST's to behave like this? The arcs I get now are hot (like orange/white fire hot), but they can only be drawn out to about 3 or 4 inches and they stay orange/white hot till they die.
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Plasmana
Fri Aug 27 2010, 04:25PM
Plasmana Registered Member #3108 Joined: Thu Aug 12 2010, 05:37PM
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As far as I know, there is no way you can get 'impressive' arcs from an NST. NST's can output max 15Kv, I believe kilovolt was driving his flyback around 60 to 80Kv.

I never managed to achieve what he did, I can either get purple streamers and (rarely) corona or hot fiery arcs. Im still working on it though!

If you want to get long loud sparks, you can build an marx generator for your NST.
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HM_Murdock
Fri Aug 27 2010, 06:52PM
HM_Murdock Registered Member #3075 Joined: Fri Aug 06 2010, 02:44PM
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Well if it's more power that's required...I do have three of the 15Kv NST's...could always hook them together...
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radiotech
Fri Aug 27 2010, 07:15PM
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I looked at the video and saw the lead from the flyback coming from the rectifier which would make the arc DC.
Nst's output AC.

Could the color be the electrons ions ripped off the the gasses
returning and making the color characteristic of the return to the ground state.? The NST AC current is higher and because it is AC
, whatever ions come off one way might be cancelled by the cloud of charges going back the other way. Also the plasma thermals are differrent at 60 Hz than at 60 kHz. as well as the lower current density.
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HM_Murdock
Fri Aug 27 2010, 10:15PM
HM_Murdock Registered Member #3075 Joined: Fri Aug 06 2010, 02:44PM
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So if it's DC that makes the color, could I not build a bridge rectifier using something like UF4007's (and maybe a smoothing cap?)

But I'm just guessing here...I have no idea how feasible this is, or what would happen to the arcs.
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radiotech
Fri Aug 27 2010, 10:27PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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If you used a rectifier with a NST and tried to smooth the DC you had better wear hearing protection depending on the size of the capacitor!
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HM_Murdock
Fri Aug 27 2010, 10:39PM
HM_Murdock Registered Member #3075 Joined: Fri Aug 06 2010, 02:44PM
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hmmm...sounds like a bad idea I am guessing?

cheesey
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Adam Munich
Fri Aug 27 2010, 11:51PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Well it all depends on the cap's ratings I suppose...
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lpfthings
Sat Aug 28 2010, 04:37AM
lpfthings Registered Member #1361 Joined: Thu Feb 28 2008, 10:57AM
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NST's supply a lot more current than flybacks, but a much lower voltage. If it wasn't for the largeish current, your NST sparks would only be about 1cm long. The current is what lets you drag them out. With flybacks, you get upwards of 30kV, but at low current. This means corona starts leaking out into the air as a result of higher voltage. If your NST could only output maybe 1 or 2mA at 15kV, you'd get corona when the electrodes where like 1cm apart.

Basically, the higher voltage of the flyback is what causes the corona. NST arcs are big, but only because of the current.
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HM_Murdock
Sat Aug 28 2010, 02:54PM
HM_Murdock Registered Member #3075 Joined: Fri Aug 06 2010, 02:44PM
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ok, that makes sense...

So if I have it right, I need to be able to make high volts (upwards of 60kV) and low amps (1 or 2 mA) to get what I am looking for...

Sounds like a FBT driven TC?

Or, is there some way to step up the volts and reduce the amps of the NST?
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