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Muttyfutty!
Mon Aug 23 2010, 08:22AM Print
Muttyfutty! Registered Member #2915 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 10:41AM
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I just came back from holiday (lucky me!) and noticed that the rubber inflatable inner tubes people use for swimming would make a near perfect toroid.

1282551674 2915 FT0 Ncaa Products 003

I've seen some fairly small 12" ones as well as massive ones that may be suitable for large TC's that are too big for regular aluminum ducting.
The tube itself is near perfectly smooth and very lightweight.
Would it be possible to cover the ring with layers of aluminum tape or similar?
Is my idea even remotely feasible?
Thanks a bunch,
mike
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Adam Munich
Mon Aug 23 2010, 01:49PM
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I'm not sure, but it is definitely a fabulous idea.
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Crimson Rain
Mon Aug 23 2010, 02:43PM
Crimson Rain Registered Member #1745 Joined: Wed Oct 08 2008, 12:29AM
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Give it a try, and tell us how it goes lol
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GeordieBoy
Mon Aug 23 2010, 03:26PM
GeordieBoy Registered Member #1232 Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
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I think people have tried this before.

If I remember correctly they found that air eventually leaks out and the tire goes flat wrinkling up the previously smooth aluminum coating.

-Richie,
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Xplorer
Mon Aug 23 2010, 05:43PM
Xplorer Registered Member #2416 Joined: Sun Oct 04 2009, 04:23AM
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It could work but there is no reason not to just use aluminum ducting.

-Tony
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Reaching
Mon Aug 23 2010, 07:19PM
Reaching Registered Member #76 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 10:04AM
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You could use it as sort of a form. just cover it with some sort of fibreglass and epoxy and use this instead to cover it with aluminium foil, that would gibe a nice toroid without risk..
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Adam Munich
Mon Aug 23 2010, 09:55PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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^^ This is a perfect idea. You don't even have to use fiberglass. Polyester resin and cloth fabric could work.

As for letting out air...
Fill it with this and you're golden. Link2
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HV Enthusiast
Mon Aug 23 2010, 10:49PM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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This is an excellent idea and has been done quite extensively. The best way to do it is to cover it with a very low oz. cloth of fiberglass and resin, and then coat with aluminum tape. Maybe you only need the resin as Grenadier mentioned.

I haven't done it myself, but have seen others who have done this. I believe D&M voltage who made toroids like this used this exact method.
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teravolt
Tue Aug 24 2010, 01:03AM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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How about a truck inner tube as a mold just need to add mold release to the surface.
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Muttyfutty!
Tue Aug 24 2010, 02:47AM
Muttyfutty! Registered Member #2915 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 10:41AM
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WOW, thanks for the responses.
In order to stop the tube deflation simply leaving the "input air nipple" uncovered should do the trick;
simply blow it up when the pressure is getting low. Fiberglass is fairly difficultg to get hold of in malaysia,
perhaps, instead, those plaster of pairs strips of cloth?
I forgot what they are called, but they are used to make casts when people have broken limbs.
you simply soak in water and after a while it hardens...
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