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Bifilar PushPull in a Mazilli ZVS winding ?

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AleSeg
Tue Aug 17 2010, 01:45PM Print
AleSeg Registered Member #2727 Joined: Tue Mar 09 2010, 02:39PM
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Hi people.
I want to make a Mazilli ZVS driver for an old AC fly-back and was thinking about the way I can do the primary winding.
As there are few turns in the primary, the possibility of making a bifilar winding is attractive as it´s easy and can be better for the transformer.
Have someone experience with this very little modification ??
Have advantages or it´s disadvantageous ?

1282052483 2727 FT0 Bifilarwinding

Thanx
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radiotech
Tue Aug 17 2010, 03:17PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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Does your winding have precisely the same length of wire in the two halves of the primary? And the spacing of the winding is it the same throughout?

It would be nice to see a photo of the finished primary. Is the intent to reduce 2nd harmonics because of difference in magnetization of the core in the positive and negative excursions?
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AleSeg
Tue Aug 17 2010, 03:38PM
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The finality of this attempt is to have a more extended copper distribution over the leg of both half-windings, and as a secondary consequence, a better coupling between the two pieces of primary.
My question arises because I don't know if the better coupling is convenient or not for the Mazilli driver.
Thanx again
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radiotech
Tue Aug 17 2010, 04:34PM
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McLyman (Transformer and inductor design handbook) advises
bifilar winding increases capacitance and indicates that the wires should be wide spaced to reduce. However in steps to reduce capacitance, bifilar winding is not advised. Why? because ringing occurs (overshoot) as leakage inductance resonanes wiith lumped capacity. (transformers designed for square wave operation)
pp. 202-203
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cjk2
Tue Aug 17 2010, 05:06PM
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I did this and it worked just fine! I also loved the way it looked.
1282064798 51 FT94700 Dsc00876
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AleSeg
Tue Aug 17 2010, 06:11PM
AleSeg Registered Member #2727 Joined: Tue Mar 09 2010, 02:39PM
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Very nice !
Did you notice any ringing problem as the pointed by radiotech ?
I think that this kind of ZVS oscillator generates sinusoidal wave forms, Isn't it?
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Marko
Tue Aug 17 2010, 11:06PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Hi guys,

There is no actual need to use center-tapped winding in a mazilli circuit. It just makes it convenient to use a single inductor - in case another one is difficult to obtain. In nearly all my incarnations of the circuit, I didn't use a center tapped ''push pull winding''. Instead I used a single winding, and two inductors, each connected from supply voltage to drains of each mosfet.

Marko
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cjk2
Wed Aug 18 2010, 02:38AM
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My drivers always worked just fine. I am interested in learning more about your ZVS that only uses one winding. do you have a picture by chance?
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AleSeg
Wed Aug 18 2010, 02:45PM
AleSeg Registered Member #2727 Joined: Tue Mar 09 2010, 02:39PM
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marko said:
..."I used a single winding, and two inductors, each connected from supply voltage to drains of each mosfet."

I don't understand how can work this circuit. Explain it better or post an image, please.

Bye
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Marko
Wed Aug 18 2010, 04:34PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Hi guys,

I used such approach in wireless power circuits - just replace the driver side L with a flyback for your design.


1249943418 89 FT0 Slika3


Hope this helps,

Marko
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