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dmg
Sat Aug 14 2010, 04:57PM Print
dmg Registered Member #2628 Joined: Fri Jan 15 2010, 12:23AM
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I have this bridge rectifier, and across its + and - terminals, there is this finned um.. thing... placed on the terminals, ive metered it, and it appears to be a diode, question is, what kind?

I think it will be useless as a regular diode, maybe some high wattage old zener? a TVS? judjing by the fins on it, it is probably of decent ratings, and far older then me.

I have no ratings of the bridge (nothing writen on it other then ~ ~ - +)

anyone seen something like this before?
1281805018 2628 FT0 Thingie
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plazmatron
Sat Aug 14 2010, 05:23PM
plazmatron Registered Member #1134 Joined: Tue Nov 20 2007, 04:39PM
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Looks like an old metal rectifier to me.

These are essentially a stack of washers and fins, with a bolt through the middle.
The washers are the rectifying elements, the semiconductor being either a Copper oxide or Selenium coating, and the fins cool the device.

Some pre-Silicon goodness!

Les
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dmg
Sat Aug 14 2010, 05:28PM
dmg Registered Member #2628 Joined: Fri Jan 15 2010, 12:23AM
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Thanks for clearing that up,
Wow, so its a real gem now aint it?

any clue to whats its amperage ratings?
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radiotech
Sat Aug 14 2010, 06:15PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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I believe bit it is a Thyrite supressor-the old name for a MOV.

They are used to prevent inductive loads from flashing the bridge in the event of a very fast loss of AC at the peak (fuse blows).
Certain machines (passenger elevators, cranes) once used selenium rectifiers because surges would heal over and not short out and when they went to semiconductors that issue had to addressed.
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Adam Munich
Sat Aug 14 2010, 07:34PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Nope It's a selenium rectifier. They were used in place of vacuum diodes in 1950's radios. They have a very low reverse breakdown voltage, typically 1.2volts per "fin". As they age their internal resistance raises, and they become useless after a while. The higher the resistance the hotter it gets, and eventually the selenium will evaporate, and it'll die.

As for amps, don't expect more than 1.
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Reaching
Sat Aug 14 2010, 07:36PM
Reaching Registered Member #76 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 10:04AM
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Selenium rectifiers are very low current, especially this little cute thing ^^ dont expect more than 1 oder 2 amps from it. i once had selenium washers that could be stacked the way you wanted to get the amperage and voltage you needed. each washer was a selenium disc rated 35V 0,2A ^^

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Avalanche
Sat Aug 14 2010, 07:43PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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These are still in use on old rolling stock in the rail industry - where I work we service and repair force commutated 110VDC thyristor panels that use them as suppressors like radiotech mentioned. We've had one or two blow up as well cheesey The panels we service are designed to provide a field current of about 10A to an alternator, and the suppressor is about twice the size of the one pictured. No idea what the original rating is though!
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dmg
Sat Aug 14 2010, 07:45PM
dmg Registered Member #2628 Joined: Fri Jan 15 2010, 12:23AM
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wierd, this thing is dead,
I took a scope shot, and the output is still sinusiodal, same as the input, then I placed a modern diode, and there we go, half wave output.

so yeah, this thing is fried if anything, yet it still displays as a diode on the multimeter (I checked with ohmeter)

in the test ive fed it from a limited AC source, 5VAC at 100mA

oh well, at least ive got a cute little thing to look at now when im bored...
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Adam Munich
Sat Aug 14 2010, 07:50PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Very low reverse breakdown voltage. Sometimes old ones even have lower reverse breakdowns than their FV from my experience fixing radios.
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Reaching
Sat Aug 14 2010, 07:51PM
Reaching Registered Member #76 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 10:04AM
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use it as a paper weight instead ^^
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