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kjjohn

Thu Jul 29 2010, 06:53PM

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Has anyone had any experience with particle beam weapons? I am not sure if anyone has ever made one, but the concept seems simple enough, given the right materials and knowledge. From what I understand, hydrogen is ionized, then attracted to an electrode. This electrode has on the order of millions of volts. Suddenly, the electrode switches polarity, forcing the hydrogen ion forward at incredibly high speeds. Before exiting the "muzzle" of the weapon, the ions pass through a gas chamber which neutralizes them. Has anyone ever tried constructing one of these?

ElectronicBob

Thu Jul 29 2010, 07:50PM

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I have never built anything like this but if you are interested in experimenting with this kind of thing you might be interested in this book:

It provides some material that may form a good starting point.

Turkey9

Sat Jul 31 2010, 12:37AM

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The only way that you're going to the energy needed in the beam is to use a particle accelerator. A beam in the order of a few GeV is needed before it could be used as a weapon, and that requires quite a large accelerator, WAY too big and expensive for any amateur to construct.

If you read anything about it being simple, it was a crock. Those kind of weapons are still things of the future.

Of course, you could use a laser, witch I guess could be considered a particle weapon (as long as you consider the light beam as a beam of photons

ElectronicBob

Mon Aug 02 2010, 07:08AM

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@Turkey9: I think I may not have read the first post too well :-s. I read the stuff about ions and instantly thought about that book.

The project in that book that i was thinking about is an "ion gun" which you can use to light light bulbs from across the room and create short sparks etc.

I think in my reading of the first post i missed how focused it was on building something of such a high power level. I guess this is what comes of reading posts whilst half asleep.

I do agree with you that anything that could be used as a weapon is still way off in the future. But there's nothing wrong with a bit of playing or experimentaion with ion "beams" etc.

GhostNull

Mon Oct 04 2010, 12:19PM

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Hey! I was poking around the old, old threads and I found a thread on the same topic!

Matt Edwards

Fri Oct 08 2010, 01:00AM

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I read somewhere that Tesla invented such a weapon. Does anyone have any information on this?

Artikbot

Fri Oct 08 2010, 08:27AM

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Ion beams, that makes me think about fluorescents lighting up across several feet from an HV source... just from it ionizing air.

Basically, you're trying to somehow "canalize" or "conduct" those ions? Sounds interesting O.o

HVgeek

Fri Oct 08 2010, 01:22PM

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I read somewhere that Tesla invented such a weapon. Does anyone have any information on this?

Well, he claimed to have invented a device to be powered directly from the output of a tesla coil, basically a open-ended cathode ray tube / Ion gun. I am unsure wich one, but the main thing was a high pressure air stream blowing across the open end nozzle to maintain a decent accelleration-vacuum, and there was indeed a filament in the tube. There are many tinfoil-hatters who have been "elaborating" on the history of this invention, so finding a decent source through google might be hard. As far as I know it has never actually been tested though.

Neuuubeh

Mon Apr 18 2011, 03:52PM

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Teslas "Death ray"? Lots of myths and no hard evidence about it, as much of the late work of Tesla.

Personally I dont see how this would be of any interest in atmospherical conditions - the non-existing mass of the particle beam means that the high speed beam is gonna be stopped within extremely short time/distance.

Dead space might be more fitting for that. Or maybe not. :)

James

Mon Apr 18 2011, 07:17PM

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There's a staggering amount of BS out there about Tesla. The man was a genius, no doubt about it, but he was also quite eccentric, and I suspect drifted towards insanity in the later years of his life. He was reclusive and mysterious enough to allow a lot of room for the imagination of others to come up with wild stories about things he had invented or was working on.

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