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Breakdown of Air, My power supply 'aint following the rules.

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Muttyfutty!
Sat Jul 03 2010, 08:22AM Print
Muttyfutty! Registered Member #2915 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 10:41AM
Location: Malaysia!
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Hello to everyone!
I own this beautiful NST with 15KV at 30mA
Whilst trying to calculate my spark gap distance for my tesla coil,
I measured the distance from where the arc first starts.
It was about 2.5 cm, Is this correct?
I was under the impression that air breaks down at approximately 30KV/cm
I live in Malaysia and Its very humid here (70-90%) would that make a difference?
I am using wire bent to form a 'U' shaped blunt point as the electrodes.
Help?
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Jul 03 2010, 09:50AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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For pointy electrodes it's approximately 10kV/cm for "common high voltages" (lets say ~5-30kV).
15kV has something like 21kV peak so it sounds ok to me.
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Muttyfutty!
Sat Jul 03 2010, 10:17AM
Muttyfutty! Registered Member #2915 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 10:41AM
Location: Malaysia!
Posts: 101
Thanks for your response!
The thing is, I'm not using sharp electrodes.
my electrodes are tinned copper wire bent to form a blunt edge...

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../....\ Sort of... Its AWG 18, I really appreciate you time and effort!
/.......\
[EDIT] Tried to post a pic, but I'm not sure how...
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Jul 03 2010, 11:21AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Well I dont know but the 10kV/cm rule usually works well for me. I think you would need to use smooth spheres of x cm radius to get to the 30kV/cm figure...
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Muttyfutty!
Sat Jul 03 2010, 02:07PM
Muttyfutty! Registered Member #2915 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 10:41AM
Location: Malaysia!
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Ok...
Thanks for your time :)
That makes things clearer...
Thank you again!
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Matt Edwards
Sat Jul 03 2010, 02:09PM
Matt Edwards Registered Member #2838 Joined: Fri Apr 30 2010, 07:55PM
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If you are making a jacobs ladder then you may simply need to add a large cap. This worked well for me.
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Antonio
Sat Jul 03 2010, 02:38PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
Location: Brazil
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30 kV/cm is the figure between planes. For points, or anything where the distance is much greater than the smaller radius of curvature, 10 kV/cm is reasonable. For spheres, you can find tables relating breakdown voltage, distance, and radius of the spheres. For large balls at small distance, you get 30 kV/cm.
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