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Registered Member #902
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I think this has been known for a couple of months now, but I guess they found it to be more serious than previously thought (e.g: it was known you could insert malicious code directly, but never got wireless control working?)
this is something that is rarely going to happen except for assassinations if at all. Black Hat Hackers have no reason or gains to use this, and a lot of hackers as the article said (properly I might add) that many of them are just wanting to see how things work internally and actually do it to make things more secure by knowing the weakness (Gray Hat Hackers).
Could this be used maliciously outside the lab? Certainly, will it? I doubt.
Registered Member #122
Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 12:55PM
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is sounds a joke for me.....
how they can disable my brakes if they are driven by hidraulic pistons and the pump is under my foot? (mechanically connected to the pedal) Even in case of hidraulic system failure i can use the hand-brake which is direct connected to the rear brakes (even in this case, there is a mechanical connection).
Okay, you can freeze the engine on high RPMs, but i can easily disconnect it from the wheels simply by pressing the clutch pedal and/or by using the gear shift..... in both cases i haven't any electronics between commands and actuators, there is only a mechanical connection!
moreover some old diesel engines (without fuel shut-off valve) can freeze in overspeed without any possibility of shutting it off if an injector remains open, the only possibility available to stop the vehicle is disconnecting the engine from the weels
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"The researchers needed to have a physical connection to initially access the car’s Engine Control Unit (ECU)" - so if you should notice a cable snaking away from your car towards a control box, you may well be in trouble.
The only devices for disabling vehicles at a distance that I've ever heard of were the so-called 'Gatling Marx generators' designed for electronic warfare by Mayes, Carey, Altgilbers et al in the early years of this century.
With the aid of a broad-band bow-tie antenna, and a folding umbrella reflector, they were able to destroy a transistor radio at a distance of 100 metres on an antenna range, but results against motor cars containing big blocks of metal were much less successful.
Registered Member #902
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Fabio wrote ...
is sounds a joke for me.....
how they can disable my brakes if they are driven by hidraulic pistons and the pump is under my foot? (mechanically connected to the pedal) Even in case of hidraulic system failure i can use the hand-brake which is direct connected to the rear brakes (even in this case, there is a mechanical connection).
Okay, you can freeze the engine on high RPMs, but i can easily disconnect it from the wheels simply by pressing the clutch pedal and/or by using the gear shift..... in both cases i haven't any electronics between commands and actuators, there is only a mechanical connection!
moreover some old diesel engines (without fuel shut-off valve) can freeze in overspeed without any possibility of shutting it off if an injector remains open, the only possibility available to stop the vehicle is disconnecting the engine from the weels
but do realize a lot of cars are drive by wire now - the ECU and MCU control a lot of things now, like in the cars that parallel park or the ones that detect an imminent front end collision can slam the brakes...
while mechanical tampering has always been possible it is the electrical they are worried about now.
Registered Member #122
Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 12:55PM
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but do realize a lot of cars are drive by wire now
i don't know how can be the situation in US (where for tradition almost all cars have the automatic shift, hence only two pedals) but many of these gadgets are so uncommon here because they require automatic shift..... we always drove cars with mecanical shift and we are reluctant to change the driving method (more than 95% of cars have 3 pedals here, hence no chances of electronic assistants)
while mechanical tampering has always been possible it is the electrical they are worried about now.
Okay, but a mechanical tampering usually require much more working time, much more noise and surely attract much more the attention; is possible, but the sapper can be easily discovered and catched
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Yes, the possibilities of hacking medical implants are too horrific to consider. Seems that at least one model of pacemaker is vulnerable to modification via weak radio waves at the same frequency used by the existing programming "wand", see here.
Oh, and just for "fun", Apple keyboards are vulnerable to a really sneaky attack involving replacement of the firmware with a trojan infected version designed to steal passwords.
a similar mechanism can be used to infect many MP3 players as many of the cheaper ones do not even check for authentic firmware, only that it matches a certain file size and versions match. in this case it exploits the usb stack to emulate a keyboard, entering arbitrary commands via Notepad then saving as a driver and running on the next boot. Needless to say defending against this one is tricky to say the least.
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uh oh, imagine a Predator drone going on the rampage... shades of "Terminator" ..
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