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InvncibiltyCloak
Sun May 23 2010, 10:25PM Print
InvncibiltyCloak Registered Member #2873 Joined: Sun May 23 2010, 10:22PM
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Hi, I am new to coiling and this forum.
I was wondering if there is any reason I should avoid using a spark plug as the spark gap for my coil.
I am using a 6000V 20mA NST as my power source, so the coil isnt all that powerful.
A quick reply would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
InvncibiltyCloak
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dmg
Sun May 23 2010, 10:35PM
dmg Registered Member #2628 Joined: Fri Jan 15 2010, 12:23AM
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Most sparkplugs have internal resistance, this is not good,
also, you cannot really adjust a spark plug, and the usual width of the gap is very small, and thus insufficient for the voltage of your supply (let alone the tank capacitor)

you are better off using a pair of bolts then a spark plug.
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InvncibiltyCloak
Sun May 23 2010, 10:49PM
InvncibiltyCloak Registered Member #2873 Joined: Sun May 23 2010, 10:22PM
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Oh, I never realized they had internal resistance (5K for the one I measured)

And by the way, changing the gap size is very easy, just bend the second electrode (the gap size is designed to be changed that way).

I probably will go with two bolts.
Thanks
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dmg
Sun May 23 2010, 10:52PM
dmg Registered Member #2628 Joined: Fri Jan 15 2010, 12:23AM
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yeah, mine had resistance far lower, but what I was reffering to, is that the outer electrode will still be too close for the gap, since it will probabaly not fire properly.

here is mine smile

1274655156 2628 FT89675 Sparkplug
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Herr Zapp
Sun May 23 2010, 11:47PM
Herr Zapp Registered Member #480 Joined: Thu Jul 06 2006, 07:08PM
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IC -

Aside from the probability of having an internal RFI-supression resistor, the electrodes on a spark plug are just the wrong shape for efficient use in a Tesla coil; instead of sharp edges, you want smoothly curved surfaces with large radii.

Gary Lau built a very nice little spark-gap TC powered by a 4KV, 20ma NST. He used two small segments of 1" dia. copper pipe to create a single gap that had large radii and good thermal conductivity. His writeup may give you some ideas on how to construct your coil.

Link2

Herr Zapp
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radiotech
Mon May 24 2010, 04:03AM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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I was just wondering out there in the coil community, how common are trannys like this one? the pencil is pointing out the shunt.




Gatedbreakdown, I have a dmm like that but it also has a RS232 cord wich allows graphing of values with the software. Handy for
curves over time os stuff hooked up. Also there are many sparkplugs with no resistors.



1274673785 2463 FT89675 Nsts

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dmg
Mon May 24 2010, 04:13AM
dmg Registered Member #2628 Joined: Fri Jan 15 2010, 12:23AM
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radiotech wrote ...

I was just wondering out there in the coil community, how common are trannys like this one? the pencil is pointing out the shunt.


1274673785 2463 FT89675 Nsts

168


that has a simular construction to a bug zapper transformer, also, this reminds me of microwave transformer construction, with the shunt in the middle.
also, some old NSTs have simular construction, could you perhaps give us a few ratings of the primary and secondary if there are any?
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radiotech
Mon May 24 2010, 04:45PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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the label:

LUMINOUS TUBE TRANSFORMER CAT #50S20 TYPE 2017 PRI 115 VOLTS 60 CY 110 VA SEC. 5000 VOLTS 20 MA.

ALLANSON MANUFACTURING CORP LTD TORONTO CANADA.

These were used in some lab bench spectrum gas tube power sources probably made at UBC in the late 50's

open core, varnish dipped and baked (coils made seperately)
(can be disassembled fairly easily)
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Corey
Mon May 24 2010, 05:15PM
Corey Registered Member #1902 Joined: Fri Jan 02 2009, 07:59PM
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I too have a transformer from Allanson, one of my close friends up in NY has an uncle that puts up the big signs for commercial chains. I got a 15kv 60ma NST for FREE. Unfortunately 500vac is not nearly enough voltage for a TC, if that's what you intend to do!

-Corey
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