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Tesladownunder
Mon May 10 2010, 06:11PM Print
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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What is this?
How did I do it?
When did I first do it?
What information can it tell me? (you might be surprised)

1273515062 10 FT0 Hvsparkspectrumbluegreen
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Sulaiman
Mon May 10 2010, 06:19PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Is it a vertical spectrogram of a horizontal arc made using a diffraction grating / DVD ?

If so then what caused the two bright lines?
And why does the blue part of the spectrum shift?
And what other hidden gems are there?
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tobias
Mon May 10 2010, 07:29PM
tobias Registered Member #1956 Joined: Wed Feb 04 2009, 01:22PM
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I did it before using a CD as difraction net and two shaving blades veery close from another forming a linear gap.

You can find what element(s) are generation this light =)
Is it from a fluorescent light?
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hboy007
Mon May 10 2010, 10:25PM
hboy007 Registered Member #1667 Joined: Sat Aug 30 2008, 09:57PM
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maybe this helps:

1273530089 1667 FT88931 Powerplot


I did this with a CD in my early days (CCFL from a broken scanner)

1273530300 1667 FT88931 Fluorescent
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Proud Mary
Mon May 10 2010, 10:41PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Do we have a 436nm mercury line there? 546nm? 577nm and 579nm? A low energy fluorescent bulb?
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IntraWinding
Mon May 10 2010, 10:45PM
IntraWinding Registered Member #2261 Joined: Mon Aug 03 2009, 01:19AM
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I don't know what the element(s) is(are), but how'd you convert the image to a graph?
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Tesladownunder
Tue May 11 2010, 12:38AM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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It is the spectrogram of a 3 inch spark from my twin ignition coils with SIDAC driver. It is done with a "rainbow" filter attached to my camera. It has 1270 lines per inch (which doesn't sound very much to me). The effect is to give various rainbow like spectra around any bright light source.

So that is what it is and how I did it.

When did I first do it? Answer is 1972, some 38 years ago. Also using twin ignition coils. But you all knew that because it was on Discovery Channel in recent weeks (1:13 mins shows the pic of me looking into the spectroscope at age 15)

OK for the prize, what are the electrodes made of? (I had to look up my original 1972 "science fair" project to get the answer)

1273538207 10 FT88931 Hvsparkspectrumznbluecugreenfull

1273538207 10 FT88931 Pterrenaged15
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Arcstarter
Tue May 11 2010, 01:58AM
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OK for the prize, what are the electrodes made of? (I had to look up my original 1972 "science fair" project to get the answer)

Paper clips has something to do with it! I am not sure if they where holding a piece of metal that was being examined, but i remember reading your website over and over again. I basically know your life story tongue
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Tesladownunder
Tue May 11 2010, 04:56AM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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Yes I did use paper clips in 1972 to hold the electordes.
I meant what were the electrodes made of in the spectrogram above?

OK, a clue might be needed. What are the green dots?


1273569939 10 FT88931 Hvsparkspectrumzoomcugreen
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hboy007
Tue May 11 2010, 10:10AM
hboy007 Registered Member #1667 Joined: Sat Aug 30 2008, 09:57PM
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I wrote a graph generator with a simple user interface for a school project some years ago. I'll add it to my image processing software and release it as open source some day soon.

Looking at Link2 I must say that nitrogen has quite a rich spectrum. However, I'm at a loss to tell molecular, atomic and higher ionisation states' contributions apart. If some is serious about finding about which lines could be which, the NIST atomic spectra database is always a good idea.

Maybe the white balance of the source image is shifted by the intense blue components. Maybe the strong red line is the 589.1nm sodium double line. Sodium is present almost everywhere and it is enough to touch the electrodes to contaminate them with sodium ions.
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