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Spectacular images of volcanic lightning in the Icelandic eruption

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Proud Mary
Sun Apr 25 2010, 12:27AM Print
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Antonio
Sun Apr 25 2010, 01:08AM
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More pictures here:
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Big pictures here, not just of lightning:
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Looking for a video. Note that most pictures are long exposure shots. See the star tracks.
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MinorityCarrier
Sun Apr 25 2010, 03:35AM
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Maybe this is how the legend of Thor began. Ever wonder what went through the minds of humans who witnessed something like this four or five thousand years ago?

Can someone in the Icelandic Geological Survey please rename that volcano to, say, Eric or Sven, or something else easy to pronounce?

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Proud Mary
Sun Apr 25 2010, 09:12AM
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It seems there are several competing theories explaining volcanic lightning, to which I'll add a theory of my own. The upward jet of volcanic ejecta is charged by MHD, and acts as the up-bound side of a VDG belt, carrying the charge upward to points of very high ionization which break out in lightning when the PD between them and some other point is sufficient for dielectric breakdown to occur. This would explain why many of the lightning bolts appear to occur within the clouds of ejecta, as much as they strike down to the ground.
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Steve Conner
Sun Apr 25 2010, 05:14PM
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MinorityCarrier wrote ...

Maybe this is how the legend of Thor began. Ever wonder what went through the minds of humans who witnessed something like this four or five thousand years ago?

Probably something like "Holy S***"

Those pictures of volcanic lightning are amazing.
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dmg
Sun Apr 25 2010, 06:29PM
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Amazing pictures indeed... heh, Eyjafjallajökull, (ey' jaf jalla joe cool?) even harder to pronounce them Steve's "mjolnir"
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Mates
Mon Apr 26 2010, 01:18PM
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Also this might explain what's going on, similarly like in the desert lightning the dust particles become charged...

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Proud Mary
Mon Apr 26 2010, 02:59PM
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I've further refined my own theory, as follows:

A stream of volcanic ejecta consists of (a) dielectric particles of glass, ash, rock (b) superheated steam (c) ions of all sorts created by high temperature dissociation

A charge is impressed upon it by (a) influence as in influence machines such as Wimshurt's and (b) by magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) as the ejecta moves rapidly through the earth's field.

The upward ejecta stream I liken to the upward movement of a VDG dielectric belt.

As it ascends, the superheated water and other gases cool until a point is reached where the water starts condensing, and takes the ions into solution, forming a highly conductive spheroid. More charge is delivered into this reservoir by further ascending dielectric particles until dielectric breakdown occurs between the condensate mass, and some point of potential difference further down the column. This explains why many of the lightning bolts are within the rising mass of ejecta, rather than bolts to ground, as with conventional lightning.
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ManiaC
Wed Apr 28 2010, 06:56AM
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Thist must be a Electrostatics Energy from dust
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Turkey9
Wed Apr 28 2010, 10:14PM
Turkey9 Registered Member #1451 Joined: Wed Apr 23 2008, 03:48AM
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That is amazing!!! Those pics are unreal! With all those fine particles colliding, not surprised that a static buildup occurs.
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