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Cheap Capacitors for MOT Resonance

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Kyle
Tue Apr 06 2010, 02:06AM Print
Kyle Registered Member #2325 Joined: Sat Aug 29 2009, 10:08PM
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Ugh, my whole resonant microwave oven capacitor bank died today. I was stupid enough to push it to 24kV, (10 MOT stack) with only five strings of three capacitors in series-parallel. The whole bank just turned into fire crackers. :/ Is there any decent retail market that sells cheap high voltage capacitors that can take this kind of voltage/current? Preferably at a low cost. I'm thinking of just ditching the idea of microwave capacitors, as they seem to not work that well for this application. (As if they were ever designed for it!)
Thanks!
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Crunchy Frog
Tue Apr 06 2010, 02:09AM
Crunchy Frog Registered Member #2422 Joined: Tue Oct 06 2009, 02:41AM
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I'd suggest a multiple mini capacitor. Fairly cheap, and much more durable than MOCs.
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue Apr 06 2010, 09:41AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I'd say you wont find a cheaper and better solution than microwave caps. Just follow the rule- a cap in series for each series MOT. It is also a good idea to not just connect the seriesed cap strings in parallel, but also interconnect the "equal potential" points between caps.
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Arcstarter
Tue Apr 06 2010, 05:15PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

I'd say you wont find a cheaper and better solution than microwave caps. Just follow the rule- a cap in series for each series MOT. It is also a good idea to not just connect the seriesed cap strings in parallel, but also interconnect the "equal potential" points between caps.

I have sort of wondered about that. I guess the point of that is to keep the voltage as equalized as possible?
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Electroholic
Tue Apr 06 2010, 05:31PM
Electroholic Registered Member #191 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 02:01AM
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Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

I'd say you wont find a cheaper and better solution than microwave caps. Just follow the rule- a cap in series for each series MOT. It is also a good idea to not just connect the seriesed cap strings in parallel, but also interconnect the "equal potential" points between caps.


I thought it was a bad idea to interconnect the seriesed strings. Reason behind is that in the event of a puncture, the whole paralleled row discharging into a puncture, destroying the cap instead of letting it self-heal. And afterwards, the node will see much higher voltage due to reduced capacitance... somewhat of a runaway situation.

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Kyle
Thu Apr 08 2010, 06:29PM
Kyle Registered Member #2325 Joined: Sat Aug 29 2009, 10:08PM
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Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

I'd say you wont find a cheaper and better solution than microwave caps. Just follow the rule- a cap in series for each series MOT. It is also a good idea to not just connect the seriesed cap strings in parallel, but also interconnect the "equal potential" points between caps.


That was my mistake. I had done that before - but I figured it would cause more harm having the series'ed strings connected together (flash overs across the terminals/wires). Now to find a place that sells bulk microwave capacitors.
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