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PLC guts - whats this?

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dmg
Fri Mar 05 2010, 07:00PM Print
dmg Registered Member #2628 Joined: Fri Jan 15 2010, 12:23AM
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I was cleaning a plc today (and found alot of brown dust inside) and now that It is cleaned up, there is board, there are the PLC's relays on one side, then these rows of yellow components...I have no idea what these components are or what they do... does anyone know?

1267815597 2628 FT0 Plcinside1

1267815597 2628 FT0 Plcinside2

1267815597 2628 FT0 Plcinside3


the last picture shows the underside of the board. (click to enlarge)
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Renesis
Fri Mar 05 2010, 08:42PM
Renesis Registered Member #2028 Joined: Mon Mar 16 2009, 08:13PM
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Most likely some kind of galvanic separation to protect the internals from short circuits, voltage spikes, revesed voltages, those things. Also, the PLC's guts probably operate at a voltage of 5V, while the inputs are of a higher voltage (usually 24V ac or dc, but sometimes 12V and even mains in some cases)
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radiotech
Fri Mar 05 2010, 08:51PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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the yellow things? Optically isolated AC input modules.
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dmg
Fri Mar 05 2010, 09:09PM
dmg Registered Member #2628 Joined: Fri Jan 15 2010, 12:23AM
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hm... also, I forgot to add, the input voltage is 120VAC, and this board is the middle layer of 3 boards, the top board is the PLC's logic circuits(you can see a the cover in the pic), the middle one is in the picture, and the bottom board is an SMPS with 5VDC to 24VDC output, one side of those bolt terminals is X (input) and the other is Y(output). the SMPS poweres the main board and the logic controller
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doctor electrons
Fri Mar 05 2010, 10:31PM
doctor electrons Registered Member #2390 Joined: Sat Sept 26 2009, 02:04PM
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Radio tech is correct!
Those are optocouplers, also known as optoisolators. To me it looks like the ones in your case also
have a diode (aside from the led used in the opto). Thats pretty common in what looks to me like a
micrologix, or compactlogix plc. They simply keep you from blowing up the input card (input portion) of the unit. It is still
possible to blow out one of the optos (hence one input), but you wont wipe out the whole input side of the controller. The
reason they are set up like that is for safety. If something fails on the machine its controlling you may loose one input not
the whole thing which could cause loss of process control.
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101111
Fri Mar 05 2010, 11:49PM
101111 Registered Member #575 Joined: Sun Mar 11 2007, 04:00AM
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The yellow "boxes" are capacitors, just check the PCB silkscreen.

But does not explain the bottom side of the PCB where you can clearly can see more that just the two "standard" pins a capacitor have.

I still have my money on capacitors..
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dmg
Sat Mar 06 2010, 12:18AM
dmg Registered Member #2628 Joined: Fri Jan 15 2010, 12:23AM
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I wouldn't bet on it 101111, there are more then 2 pins under those squares (I dont know why there is C-# on the silkscreen) and I read it with a multimeter, and they display some resistance and others an open circuit, so I would guess its an optoisolator but I would have to guess radiotech is right and doctor electrons explained it quite nicely, still, I do not plan on taking this thing apart for parts... I just wondered what those parts do.... also, I like this PLC, as it is simple to program, and easy to disesamble and reasamble. here is some more pictures

one is fully assembled and one fully dissasembled.
1267834729 2628 FT85144 Picture 001

1267834729 2628 FT85144 Picture 002


due to the fact that this thing has about 10 screws, only 4 connectors and press fit connection rods, it can be taken apart in about 30 seconds or so (note that troubleshooting a hardware failiure will take a week lol...)
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Steve Conner
Sat Mar 06 2010, 08:48AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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No they aren't capacitors, they have 5 pins.

I agree that they're optically isolated input modules.
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