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Problems with PWM audiomudulation over UCC37321 enable pin

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Mates
Fri Jan 22 2010, 12:46PM Print
Mates Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
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Hi guys, I run into limitation of the enable pin of UCC gate drivers. I experience this problem: Once I set the PWM based interrupter to frequencies over few KHz my coil stops working.

My point is to achieve something similar I already did before but using two TL4894 instead. I used one of TLs to drive the coil in a fixed resonant frequency (170KHz) and the second one was driving the power supply of the first one over FET transitor. The second TL494 was set to 50 KHz with 25% duty cycle and PW audiomodulated. The coil reproduced sounds quite well but with strong 50Hz distortion because it was running in half rectified mains mode – here you can hear my voice reproduced by the coil Link2 . Why I cannot use the same approach for the enable pin of UCC? I mean simply setting the interrupter to 50 KHz and audiomodulate it’s PW?
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ragnar
Mon Jan 25 2010, 11:15AM
ragnar Registered Member #63 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:18AM
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Hi Mates,

The ENBL pin on the UCC is significantly slower than IN. I observed this when I had thought it was clever to wire IN/ENBL together to simplify my PCB layout.

Steve Conner also had poor performance from the ENBL pin using it for a dead-time application, IIRC. If you've already made your PCB, you may be able to get away with some mickey-mouse logic on IN, instead.

Tie your ENBL to VCC, put a 10k resistor in series with IN, and allow your ENBL signal to pull it down through a 1N4148, and see if that works any better.


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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Jan 25 2010, 11:34AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I think the delay time of the enable input of the UCC is something like 60ns vs. 30ns of the input pin. I think you wont notice that in real life...
Are you using some kind of feedback? Maybe it doesn't have the time to lock at such high interrupter frerquency.

@Blackplasma: Your circuit can't be used with two UCCs in push-pull configuration, because pulling the interrupter input down results in one UCC output high and the other low, however you want to have both low.
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Goodchild
Mon Jan 25 2010, 04:12PM
Goodchild Registered Member #2292 Joined: Fri Aug 14 2009, 05:33PM
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umm just a thought but why do you want your interrupter at such a high frequency? I never really go above 500Hz on any of my coils.
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ragnar
Mon Jan 25 2010, 05:14PM
ragnar Registered Member #63 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:18AM
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Here's the relevant thread with Steve's note: Generating deadtime, second post - ENBL pin is clearly quite picky, avoid where possible...

Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

@Blackplasma: Your circuit can't be used with two UCCs in push-pull configuration, because pulling the interrupter input down results in one UCC output high and the other low, however you want to have both low.

Thanks Jan, you're right - I only get away with it because I'm hardcore and only use noninverting UCCs on principle.
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