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klugesmith
Tue Mar 30 2010, 05:27PM
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hboy007 wrote ...

the diode has 5 .. 6pF when biased with 15V and a rise/fall time of 50 .. 80ns, which sounds promising to me.
Dark current is 4..20nA and current noise is 0.4 .. 1 pA / sqrt(Hz) - typical resp. maximum values.
I'll be back with the calculations tomorrow. Thank you for your help!
Am looking forward to your lab results -- had never considered that position-senstive detectors could work so fast. Got some of these: Link2
Specified risetime is 1.5 us, but that's with 1k load instead of low impedance TIA.

As hboy knows, PSD's are unsurpassed for tracking a fast-moving light in one dimension. Spatial resolution equivalent to tens of thousands of pixels, and ( I see now ) "imaging rate" in the multi MHz.
(to be honest, you don't get all of both parameters at once).
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Mattski
Tue Mar 30 2010, 06:15PM
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The first two National application notes that come up here talk specifically about using current feedback opamps as photodiode amplifiers:
Link2

Hopefully it helps a bit.

edit: While finding information on an unrelated topic (Miller Theorem) I found this good set of notes on high-speed transistor level linear amplifier design. It's not specifically applied to what you're doing but it covers the techniques you would probably need to use if you wanted to do a transistor level design instead of an opamp.
Link2
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hboy007
Sat Sept 04 2010, 01:46PM
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I just found this paper about PSD array sensors:
Link2

it uses a different approach, placing an array of PSDs on a chip, just like this one here does it:
Link2

This definitively seems to be a hot topic in online 3d scanning, maybe we'll be able to see some applications of the type of scanner I had in mind when I started this thread.
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Sulaiman
Fri Sept 17 2010, 07:15PM
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Thoughts which may or may not be in the above references
(ok, I haven't looked at them)

I assume that at some point there will be an ADC
(or many/multiplexed for a linear array)
So I'd expect 'best' performance if the photo-diode-current is integrated (capacitor, dV=dQ/C) during the SAMPLE period and reset (discharged) after the HOLD period.

If a linear array is used then I guess the 'key' will be physical construction so groundplane, smd components and whatever dense packages of cmos switches (S&H), ADC, mux, amplifier, &c. (and a quick look at rf stripline design) are called for.
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hboy007
Tue Feb 08 2011, 11:51PM
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hboy007 wrote ...

the diode has 5 .. 6pF when biased with 15V and a rise/fall time of 50 .. 80ns, which sounds promising to me.
Dark current is 4..20nA and current noise is 0.4 .. 1 pA / sqrt(Hz) - typical resp. maximum values.
I'll be back with the calculations tomorrow. Thank you for your help!

Let's see the practical results:

1297208754 1667 FT82554 1l5 Iv


and even more interesting, the C/V curve:

1297208782 1667 FT82554 1l5 Cv


the capacitance at 0V is a bit random because there might be residual charges in the structure which dramatically change the actual zero voltage capacitance.

I felt like cooling the PSD down a little to make the leakage current look more promising. -20°C should be no problem with thermoelectric cooling. Coming up next: laser induced transient current measurements

5V bias voltage at -20°C would make for nice operating conditions, right?


ps. I bought 16 pc. of these PSDs to ensure the project will get anywhere soon.
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hboy007
Fri Feb 18 2011, 09:14PM
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EL5167 Link2
OPA2683 Link2

Do these look suitable to you? Maybe it is the best solution to start with a G=20 .. 100 transimpedance amplifier stage. OPA2683 is available in a dual package so the CFB opamps will be matched to some degree.
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