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tritium
Fri Jan 01 2010, 12:15PM Print
tritium Registered Member #2591 Joined: Fri Jan 01 2010, 11:58AM
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Hi everybody, Im making a DRSSTC, and I have made an seconday of 4" diameter 20" tall with 36 AWG wire with a total of 3600 turns.
the dc-resistence is 1.7 Kohm, can i use this coil, or is it better to make another one with thicker wire and less turns.

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doctor electrons
Fri Jan 01 2010, 04:57PM
doctor electrons Registered Member #2390 Joined: Sat Sept 26 2009, 02:04PM
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I believe that will depend on the resonant frequency, and if you match it to that of your primary.
Take into consideration your mmc as well. Download wintesla or javatc and punch the existing numbers
in and go from there!
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tritium
Fri Jan 01 2010, 06:10PM
tritium Registered Member #2591 Joined: Fri Jan 01 2010, 11:58AM
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I wanted the resonant frequentie verry low, that's why I wound this coil, but now I'm reading on the internet that i have to aim at +/-1000 turns, or is it different with drsstc.

I wan't to run this coil on the minibrute driver, but I have ordered the book so I think that I'm going to make the same secondary coil as well.
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doctor electrons
Fri Jan 01 2010, 07:57PM
doctor electrons Registered Member #2390 Joined: Sat Sept 26 2009, 02:04PM
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Getting the book is a good idea, you will find some very critical information in there!
As for the secondary in the book; it is 4.5" with a 12" winding of 30awg wire. Fres no topload is approx 297khz.
Dans book is a great addition to any collection! I have both of his books and they are extremely usefull!
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TheBoozer
Fri Jan 01 2010, 08:44PM
TheBoozer Registered Member #1535 Joined: Wed Jun 11 2008, 11:37PM
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Your secondary is a close match to my first DRSSTC.

Read the description from my video: Link2

It works quite well. cheesey
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Dr. Resonance
Sat Jan 02 2010, 06:48AM
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You can probably get away with this. Most DRSSTC coils use 1600 to 2800 turns. The main reason is to keep the res freq down to a value around 50-60 kHz maximum. Most IGBTs start having serious switching problems above 60 KHZ. I usually design for 40 to 50 KHZ max.

Another trick is to use a rather large dia. sec, like 6 to 12 inch dia. This also keeps res freq down, usually with around 2,000 turns or slightly less.

And don't overcouple the coils. Values above 0.18 are unneccessary and usually asking for racing spark trouble. 0.2 would be an absolute max for reliable operation.
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tritium
Sat Jan 02 2010, 09:01AM
tritium Registered Member #2591 Joined: Fri Jan 01 2010, 11:58AM
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I use the HGT1N40N60A4D igbts , I have also made the pcb board and the advanced modulator from eastern voltage research.

do i need to change some values/timings in the modulator to run this coil in the minibrute system?
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doctor electrons
Sat Jan 02 2010, 04:44PM
doctor electrons Registered Member #2390 Joined: Sat Sept 26 2009, 02:04PM
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You should set the modulator to 250us pulse width and 100hz pulse repetition frequency to start with.
I made the mistake of powering up with mine with the modulator set wrong and fried the igbts.
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tritium
Sat Jan 02 2010, 05:09PM
tritium Registered Member #2591 Joined: Fri Jan 01 2010, 11:58AM
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ok, but is the overcurrent protection not enough to protect the igbt's against blewing up?
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TheBoozer
Sun Jan 03 2010, 09:48AM
TheBoozer Registered Member #1535 Joined: Wed Jun 11 2008, 11:37PM
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Over current protection is only there to put a limit on current peak...

High BPS rates combined with high duty cycles will also blow IGBT's due to an excessive average current...

My first DRSSTC can only handle about 4% maximum average on time in it's present condition...
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