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FLYBACK TRANSFORMERS HELP NEEDED

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JIM RYBAK
Sat Dec 19 2009, 06:22AM Print
JIM RYBAK Registered Member #2555 Joined: Sat Dec 19 2009, 05:58AM
Location: GRAND JUNCTION, CO U.S.A.
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I am new to the business of using flyback transformers to generate high voltage and I need some advice.

What are some especially good flyback transformers to use for generating long discharges? Eventually, I plan to build a small Jacob's Ladder but initially I just want to experiment with flybacks, learn their characteristics, and build several different kinds of flyback drivers.

Should I look for the old type of flyback without built-in diodes or should I go with those newer types that have diodes? Does anyone in 4HV.ORG sell them or should I go to EBAY?

Can anyone recommend an especially good flyback driver circuit?

Thanks.

Jim Rybak
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Download
Sat Dec 19 2009, 09:49AM
Download Registered Member #561 Joined: Sat Mar 03 2007, 02:46AM
Location: Adelaide Australia
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You rip flybacks from tv set's, unless it's a really big old fashioned one don't bother buying it
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Dec 19 2009, 10:25AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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The older style bare-wire transformers will usually put out more power before overheating, however the modern diode split ones will produce more voltage before breaking down.

If you want a lot of power, you can rewind the transformer with a thicker wire - the cores from older transformers are quite large and will allow a winding with much less resistance than the original one (if you do it right), you can even put put it under oil for better heat transfer and insulation.

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Dr. Resonance
Sat Dec 19 2009, 11:05AM
Dr. Resonance Registered Member #1670 Joined: Mon Sept 01 2008, 08:32AM
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I've wound up some large flybacks based on the old Zenith large tube TV set design. I've added 400 more turns for a total of 4,200 turns on the sec. Pri is a standard tapped pri that is driven with a transistor type driver. I have the circuit ---- you may contact me off-list if you need it. **link**

This flyback also works well with the NEC voltage tripler if you are charging DC Marx circuits, etc.

Dr. Resonance

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Zeus
Sat Dec 19 2009, 10:07PM
Zeus Registered Member #2316 Joined: Tue Aug 25 2009, 03:04AM
Location: Bendigo, Australia
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If you want driver plans, we won't spoonfeed but I recommend you search for the
"Improved single transistor flyback driver" on the search bar on the right of the 4hv logo.
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FireBird
Sun Dec 20 2009, 12:51AM
FireBird Registered Member #1104 Joined: Tue Nov 06 2007, 07:38PM
Location: Wisconsin, United States
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Zeus wrote ...

... I recommend you search for the "Improved single transistor flyback driver" on the search bar on the right of the 4hv logo.

I would also recommend this driver as a first time, alternately you could also start with a 555 based driver which would also give you a crude way to audio modulate the flyback (using pin 5). If it’s a jacobs ladder you’re going to build, then the Mazzilli ZVS flyback driver would be the one that can push insane amounts of power through the flyback (possibly lethal amounts). Uzzors website can be helpful when picking a driver topology.

As for the type of flyback, an older type would be best because then you have less chance of getting one with an internal capacitor which would make it useless for what you want to do with it.
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EEYORE
Sun Dec 20 2009, 06:49PM
EEYORE Registered Member #99 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:10PM
Location: florida, usa
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The easiest driver by far is the electronic halogen light transformer. You just connect the flyback primary to the 12v output and away you go! This does rob you of some valuable knowledge gained by building your own driver, so if this is your first time I would suggest building something such as the single transistor type. The Mazzilli driver seems to be pretty dangerous for a new guy.
Matt
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Wayne Tang
Mon Dec 21 2009, 08:44AM
Wayne Tang Registered Member #491 Joined: Thu Nov 09 2006, 02:03AM
Location: S. California
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There's two resonance research ones going on ebay right now - they make 15kV or so, or 30kV under oil. They are the open frame type, great for high voltage.
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Turkey9
Mon Dec 21 2009, 10:30PM
Turkey9 Registered Member #1451 Joined: Wed Apr 23 2008, 03:48AM
Location: Boulder, Co
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I'd go to a thrift store and pick up a cheap tv or computer monitor if you can't find and old broken one for free.
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