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OS1100A flickering trace then N/G any ideas?

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Conundrum
Thu Dec 03 2009, 08:34PM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hi all.

Turned on my previously working Gould OS1100A 'scope (old clunker but did work fine) and was greeted with a flickering trace. Adjusted a few things then... nothing :( GRRR

Any ideas? thinking maybe G1 or something similar failed..

-A
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MinorityCarrier
Thu Dec 03 2009, 09:52PM
MinorityCarrier Registered Member #2123 Joined: Sat May 16 2009, 03:10AM
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Do you have ~-1KV to -2KV on the CRT cathode? I'm assuming the anode is at ground.
Also check the first grid, (the blanking grid), if it is ~7 volts more negative than the cathode, that may kill the beam also.
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Conundrum
Sat Dec 05 2009, 12:31AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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hmm... seems to be heat dependent.
if the scope heats up it slowly fixes itself (timebase returns, then traces)
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Sat Dec 05 2009, 04:36AM
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The easy solution the is to just go around with a can of cold (or a can of spray air turned upside down to give liquid) and start freezing components. I suspect is a capacitor that has dried out and become leaky.
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Nicko
Sat Dec 05 2009, 06:14AM
Nicko Registered Member #1334 Joined: Tue Feb 19 2008, 04:37PM
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Conundrum wrote ...
Turned on my previously working Gould OS1100A 'scope (old clunker but did work fine) and was greeted with a flickering trace. Adjusted a few things then... nothing :( GRRR
Does sound like a problem with the HVPSU, probably, as has been mentioned, a dried out electrolytic. I've recently fixed a Tek 7000-series scope with this problem and a Tek 2430A with the same problem but in the LVPSU side.

In your case, the presence of the trace initially means that I'd start on the HT side...

Statement of the bleedin' obvious: Be ever so careful...
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Sulaiman
Sat Dec 05 2009, 09:26AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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My job is repairing industrial electronics,
since we give a 1 year warranty on our work we ALWAYS replace ALL small electrolytics as a matter of procedure.
(yes they can be that unreliable, especially the small smd electrolytics).
This will usually fix about half of all faulty equipment !
The majority of other faults are man-made e.g. over-volting inputs.
With crt-based equipment I'd guess three quarters of the faults are cured by a cap change, so definitely I recommend that you replace ALL the electrolytic capacitors.
The sooner you do it the better as the leakage from electrolytics corrodes pcb tracks,
often leading to more serious faults.
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Conundrum
Sat Dec 05 2009, 12:02PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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hmm. turned on today and it worked fine.

Its been pretty damp recently so that could be something to do with it.

FWIW I had it looked at about two years ago and the techie (qualified TV/video repairman) said he'd changed a few caps and resoldered everything in sight.

if it plays up again i'll change the caps, thanks for the advice.
-A

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Proud Mary
Sat Dec 05 2009, 06:21PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
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Why not start by measuring all the voltages on the test points and comparing them with the figures in the manual? Anything else is just guessing.
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