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Fraggle
Wed Dec 02 2009, 08:52AM
Fraggle Registered Member #1526 Joined: Mon Jun 09 2008, 12:56AM
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I guess it`s because c is constant. The half in ke is because you`re summing the products of the accelerating force and instantaneous distance covered by that force which increases linearly as velocity increases. c is constant (time changes) so the distance is always the maximum so the graph is a square rather than a triangle hence no half. Of course mc^2 isn`t actually ke so meh...That`s got to be the corner of an explanation though.
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cduma
Thu Dec 03 2009, 04:17PM
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Back to the E=mc^2 thing. In order to fit the pattern shouldnt it be E=c^2*.5(m) ?

Just for LOLz I found that it would cost $5 991 705.96 to create 2grams of matter from electricity at current rate of .12 per KWh. Using the 20KW connection a modern home has it would take almost exactly 2500 hours. Now where could I find a particle accelorator that runs off of 240V??? JK

E=2C^2
E*.000277777778=W
.12(W/1000)
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cduma
Thu Dec 03 2009, 05:31PM
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oops instead of E=2C^2 I meant E=.002C^2. 2 grams not 2 kilo's
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TheMerovingian
Thu Dec 03 2009, 11:34PM
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If two grams of anti-matter costs would cost 6000000 $ (and need 2500000 h) to be manifactured it will release 86Ktons (2 g+ 2 g) of explosive power (almost 2 times the Hyroshima bomb) , so supposing your "Angels & Demons"-like containment costs 0 $ (not to mention the cost of the battery) you have a weak overexpensive pocket nuclear device wink, not exactly the thing to have on your desk :D . Seriously the antimatter production efficiency is waaaay lower that 10% so no advantage (your cost increase to more 60 millions $ per 2 grams, probably to 600 M$ or 6G$), to have a gain you need to produce it at an efficiency than higher 50% (since the other 50% will come from the annihilation of matter) and have an efficient containment (that doesn't even exist now, dunno, let me call Prof. Langdon :D ). One question: is your home several kilomenters diameter? :D

I suggest you to capture the anti-matter formed in the upper atmosphere when the cosmic rays collide with air before it gets annihilated and converts into photons wink
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Bored Chemist
Fri Dec 04 2009, 06:58AM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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They have already spent something like $6G and they haven't made anything like 2g of antimatter yet so I think you need a couple more zeros.
If you wipe out a town with 20000 people then it costs you $10M each.
An army of hitmen would be cheaper.
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TheMerovingian
Fri Dec 04 2009, 01:58PM
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not to mention energy production, poor peoples will have to work for a year for a minute of lighting if you produce energy by annihilating matter/antimatter
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Wolfram
Fri Dec 04 2009, 02:23PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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Not that it really matters, but I'm quite sure it isn't possible to make antimatter without also making the same amount of matter.


Anders M.
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TheMerovingian
Fri Dec 04 2009, 07:15PM
TheMerovingian Registered Member #14 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:04PM
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that's why the E = m c^2 doesnt has the 1/2 , it is because antimatter and matteri ar paired and simmetrical :D

it means that in nuclear reactions when the D and T react to form 2He (and one neutron becomes energy) somewhere in the space an antineutron gets annihilated and the energy channeled through some Stargate-ish subspace link to give 2 * 1/2 m c^2 = m c^2 cheesey the important thing is momentum conservation cheesey and you get two photons with the sum of momentums = sum of momentums of the neutron antineutron pair.

Maybe i should watch less sci-fi films and drink a bit less cheesey

Speaking seriously your statement:
Anders M. wrote ...

Not that it really matters, but I'm quite sure it isn't possible to make antimatter without also making the same amount of matter.


Anders M.
Is an indirect conseguence of conservation of momentum, if you convert some energy in matter (and antimatter) its momentum (remember pointing vector?) its conserved and the sum of momentum of the two particles is conserved.

The same is for black holes and hawking radiation.


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