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IntraWinding
Tue Dec 01 2009, 06:01AM
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I am primarily interested in calibrating my 6.5 digit multimeters' DC voltage and resistance ranges.
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Bored Chemist
Tue Dec 01 2009, 06:34PM
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Unless you have a God given calibration current source I don't see that Ohm's law helps a lot.
Anyway I plan to make use of that overlay but I need my house to be warm and stable enough for the Weston cells to give a sensible voltage first. (or I might have to ovenise them; I don't think a single 2N3055 will cut it somehow).
Then I need to address their output resistance which is about 1K.
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Steve Conner
Tue Dec 01 2009, 06:37PM
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How old are your Weston cells BC? Don't they have an expiry date like other kinds of batteries?

The 7150 plus has, as far as I know, an extremely high input impedance on the 2V range. On the higher ranges it falls to 10M, 11M or whatever.

Most DMMs are like this, on the lowest range you get a direct connection to the ADC.
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Dr. Slack
Tue Dec 01 2009, 07:47PM
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Do you really need to adddress the high outupt impedance of Weston cells? I thought they were always measured at zero output current, into a balanced bridge for instance?
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Bored Chemist
Tue Dec 01 2009, 08:03PM
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Good point. It specifies <150pA so that shouldn't be a big problem.
The Weston cells are not in the first flush of youth but that shouldn't matter much; they are designed to be stable (perhaps not as stable as I hope). One in a set dated as being made in 1970 gave 1.018886V last time it was tested in 1990.
This ref
Link2
gives the life as 60 years if they are the right sort and well treated.
I can also cheat. I have an electronic "pretend weston cell" with a low source impedance and reasonable stabillity which I might be able to check at work and use as a transfer standard.
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IntraWinding
Tue Dec 01 2009, 11:33PM
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Glad the overlay has at least one user smile

You get saturated and unsaturated Weston cells. Saturated cells are more accurate and last longer but are more temperature sensitive so need a constant temperature bath. Unsaturated cells are less temperature sensitive but drift more per year and have a shorter life. I've heard that when they get too old the out put becomes 'unstable' but I can't quantify that. Mine was manufactured in the early 60's and seems stable to a certain number of decimal places, but varies far too much for a 6.5 digit meter in ambient conditions. I haven't tried real temperature control yet. The advantage of your large selection of cells would be if you built a temperature controlled oven for them you could monitor them all over an extended period and weed out the bad (drifting) ones.
Thanks for that Weston Cell link. I like this too Link2

Ohms law. To find I,V or R you need to know the other two. I have a calibrated voltage reference but can't trust my resistors or current measurements so I'm stuck. I can determine resistive ratio's very accurately however so that's all I'm working on (precision wise) for now.

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IntraWinding
Wed Dec 09 2009, 01:22PM
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Steve McConner: I notice your 7150 meter has white LCD illuminating LEDs. Did you put those in? The yellow ones in mine are ridiculously dim!
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Steve Conner
Wed Dec 09 2009, 05:32PM
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Yes, the yellow LEDs were completely useless, so I replaced them with white ones.
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IntraWinding
Wed Dec 09 2009, 07:16PM
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Good move.
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