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Tesla coil with no spark gaps. Straight from 120 volt wall socket. Possible?

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cavemen
Tue Nov 24 2009, 04:06AM Print
cavemen Registered Member #2008 Joined: Tue Mar 03 2009, 05:11AM
Location: USA, Frederick, MD
Posts: 118
Here comes the day to order parts -- shipping is money.
So why not order more stuff for several projects?

I want to build a Tesla coil with no primary transformer and spark gaps.
I want it to run off rectified or unrectified 120V ac.
(120VAC can be rectified into + 120V and -120V)

Spark gap is only one way to make a non-linear breakdown component to feed our self-resonating Tesla transformer coil at the frequency it wants to receive the current.

I thought of Zender diodes, neon lignt bulbs, spark tubes, transistor-based switches, thyristor based switches.

Any good ideas or proven-to-work schemes?

I don't want 12 volt power supply. makes it 2 transformers again.

When the primary of Tesla coil resonates, it behaves like an element with inductance and capacitance. Therefore, when it's polarity matches the polarity of the AC power source and it has minimal resistance that way, then comes the zap of the spark? Am I right?



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Arcstarter
Tue Nov 24 2009, 04:27AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
Location: Beaumont, Texas, USA
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SISG.

Link2

Just a hefty IGBT, some SIDACs, TVS's, and every day components. I would say that those are much better than spark gaps, due to the possibility of using much lower voltages, less losses, no spark gap wear, no machining or cutting, no tungsten, nothing spins, and quenching is done electrically (though *cooling* is needed for the IGBTs). They can get longer spark length per watt than sgtc's perhaps. Im not sure.

For 120v operation, you would need a high capacitance bank, and a low resistance/inductance primary due to the lower voltages, but it is doable.

Have fun wink
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cavemen
Tue Nov 24 2009, 07:45AM
cavemen Registered Member #2008 Joined: Tue Mar 03 2009, 05:11AM
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I totally agree.
Didn't put SIDACs and TVSs on my list.

But are there any Tesla Coil drivers based of those components?
I like the Tesla Coil construction where spark gap is in series with the primary of The Coil.
Spikes can be suppressed.

Any circuits that you may have ran across?
I found one so far. I'll countinue searching.

It is kinda pointless to use a transformer #1 and step down to 12volts.
As pointless as step up to 2000.

Link2
couldn't find schematics

flyback transformer drivers get mixed up with Tesla coils

i made one
it ain't so interesting
made small blue spark
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Mates
Tue Nov 24 2009, 11:08AM
Mates Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
Location: Czech Rep.
Posts: 566
search for OLTC...

BTW: all those advantages regarding non-spark gap TC coils are easilly beaten by few simple facts: Spark gap is cheap, robust and easy to make!
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue Nov 24 2009, 02:31PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Well, a transformerless tesla coil is the SSTC smile
If you want a simple design, you can try Link2

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Daniel Uhrenholt
Tue Nov 24 2009, 05:39PM
Daniel Uhrenholt Registered Member #125 Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 01:52PM
Location: Aalborg, Denmark
Posts: 155
I would go for a SISG coil if I were you... But why not put a nice topping on it, and build a BRISG coil while you are at it Link2 smile

Cheers, Daniel

Edit:

Seems all the links in the BRISG thread don't work... But here is a video of one Link2
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cavemen
Wed Nov 25 2009, 06:35AM
cavemen Registered Member #2008 Joined: Tue Mar 03 2009, 05:11AM
Location: USA, Frederick, MD
Posts: 118
Thanks
I keep looking.

So far found 3 circuits that can possibly do the trick of no pre-trans solid state tesla coil
Daniel Uhrenholt, your link links to a forum post that links to some website in some foreign language, that doesn't seem to exist.
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Daniel Uhrenholt
Wed Nov 25 2009, 06:15PM
Daniel Uhrenholt Registered Member #125 Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 01:52PM
Location: Aalborg, Denmark
Posts: 155
cavemen wrote ...

Daniel Uhrenholt, your link links to a forum post that links to some website in some foreign language, that doesn't seem to exist.

That foreign language is danish my friend smile

Yes, I know the links are broken, this is because that Finn has a new website now... You can try PM Finn for a schematic for the triggered SISG.

Cheers, Daniel
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