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Firefox
Sun Nov 22 2009, 05:59AM Print
Firefox Registered Member #1389 Joined: Thu Mar 13 2008, 12:50AM
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I've been working on a ZVS driver for the past month, slowly tuning it and reaching for the sky - 120VAC into a rectifier, straight from the wall. Well, I have finally succeeded after many IGBT failures and some advice from several builders. It uses 2 40n60 IGBTs in an TO-247 package on a scrap heatsink from a computer PSU. Primary cap is .27uF, but is subject to change to modify power input. The flyback has 20+20 primary turns on it and is from back projection TV.

To power the flyback, I have my 3 stack variac connected to a 15A rectifier and 7200uF of filter caps and I tripped the 20A breaker at the end of the run in my video (probably due to poor power factor), as well as partially melting my 14AWG ground electrode.

Link2

I know it doesn't look like it, but the maximum arc length is 13". I'll make a better video soon to show it better, and perhaps aim for more power until something gives.
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Patrick
Sun Nov 22 2009, 06:31AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Can I see your schematic and frequency, and waveform?

What power do you estimate on output side?

And Finnally, how hot does the ferrite core get in a period of time?

-Patrick
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Firefox
Sun Nov 22 2009, 06:36AM
Firefox Registered Member #1389 Joined: Thu Mar 13 2008, 12:50AM
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Schematic is simply Mazzilli's ZVS flyback driver found here Link2 The transformer itself is under mineral oil to prevent flashovers, but it gets toasty after a while. The core itself stays pretty cool.

I need to do more measurements to determine input power and frequency, but I'll get back to you when I figure it out. I'll post waveform pics when I get it scoped out as well.
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Patrick
Sun Nov 22 2009, 06:47AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Ok just to be clear, the transformer coils in the plastic cylinder shape gets hot. But the ferrite core stays cool?
Is this right?

Are you feeding 170 VDC through the 20+20 turn primary? If so, how many Guass are you pushing?

-Patrick
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Firefox
Sun Nov 22 2009, 07:28AM
Firefox Registered Member #1389 Joined: Thu Mar 13 2008, 12:50AM
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Well, the voltage sags to 155V at 120VAC in, which is just fine by me because the IGBTs failed at 170VDC in. Also, yes the potted windings get hot, not the core.

As far as the gauss, I havent made enough measurements yet to give you an answer.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Nov 22 2009, 09:29AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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That's pretty awesome, but I guess the flyback will melt after a bit longer run tongue

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Firefox
Sun Nov 22 2009, 05:27PM
Firefox Registered Member #1389 Joined: Thu Mar 13 2008, 12:50AM
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You're probably right Jan. It gets rather toasty after 1 minute runs. :) I'm going to go for broke tonight and put a .47uF resonant cap on it.
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Arcstarter
Sun Nov 22 2009, 06:58PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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So *this* is what you have been talking about. Damn :O.

That is awesome.

About the resonant cap, i would actually use a smaller one :P. That would give you thicker arcs, but lower voltage. Larger the cap, lower the freq ;).

cheesey
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Sun Nov 22 2009, 08:17PM
... Registered Member #56 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:02AM
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I am surprised you managed to get it running off of 160v, most previous attempts have been plagued with unwanted oscillations. Can you post a picture of the circuit itself, and confirm what size gate resistors you are using?

You might also want to think about winding your own secondary, mine had similar performance to yours but could run all day without overheating smile Link2 (that was at 60v in though, because I ran into destructive oscillations at much higher than that)
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Firefox
Mon Nov 23 2009, 12:56AM
Firefox Registered Member #1389 Joined: Thu Mar 13 2008, 12:50AM
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Whoops. I killed it. :( Link2

Edit: I have an AC flyback core and some 36AWG wire so I'm going to see about winding my own transformer. When I get that finished, I'll take a picture of the whole setup and some scope shots as well.
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