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Proud Mary wrote ...
I couldn't agree more that the dapper French alchemist N, and people like him, have done a great deal to undermine serious professional LENR research. In one experiment of his 'experiments' that I recall, he seemed to think he would be able to detect a minute neutron flux with a kiddy's 100 bucks GM counter, while he electrolysed potassium carbonate solution or whatever.
The well meaning but excessively credulous Monsieur Naudin has propagated much BS in this and other "fringy" fields. A perfect case of someone who learned "just enough to be dangerous" but seemingly stopped his learning at some point? Neutron metrology has hung more than one LENR experimenter. It is neither cheap nor simple...
Proud Mary wrote ...
The damage that quacks like N have done can be measured by Scotty's query: "Not sure how acceptable the topic is on this board" i.e. Scotty was afraid (has been made afraid?) of expressing an opinion, or showing an interest in about a possibly taboo subject- in a word, a kind of pressure has been applied to him - to all of us - to renounce observational science which must ever be free to enquire, to question, to doubt, to hypothesise, to speculate, to reconfigure, to rearrange and to dream.
My reticence to broach the subject was out of respect for the rules (written and otherwise) of this forum. Although there have been times when I thought the moderators here have confused skepticism with cynicism and occasionally arrogance, I understand the need for a topically "tight ship".
One could argue that the topic of ball lightning is relevant due to it's association with CC and CG lightning but I understand the "slippery slope" concerns that may be raised. LENR is a bit more topically difficult I suppose.
Proud Mary wrote ...
It is said with good reason that "extraordinary claims demand extraordinary levels of proof,' but let us never get into a situation where we put the cart before the horse, and say that the absence of extraordinary levels of proof means that a claim, notion, idea, is invalid, or incorrect, and should not therefore should not be invesitgated. Several very eminent Victorian scientists of great talent claimed that "there was now nothing more to be discovered.!"And think how long it took before it occurred to the quiet persistence of the kind and gentle Eddington saw that the solar eclipse of 1919 might provide the first empirical evidence in support of the General Theory.
Agreed, in science one must never suppress heretical ideas. The problem becomes one of separating the wheat from the chaff, the chaff being orders of magnitude more prevalent here on the net.
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Interestingly, there was a documented case over here in Guernsey a while back, where they had multiple sightings associated with a strike on an aircraft that had just taken off.
Its interesting to note that the conditions that night were hnighly atypical (extremely strong wind shear, "thundersnow" etc, so this could have generated one or more superbolts.
Whatever it was knocked out my internet for most of the evening, and fried numerous modems and routers as well as damaging Telecoms equipment.
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Conundrum wrote ...
Interestingly, there was a documented case over here in Guernsey a while back, where they had multiple sightings associated with a strike on an aircraft that had just taken off.
Events involving aircraft are some of the most interesting and compelling. I have an interesting one that was related to me but I won't repeat it in this thread. To avoid further hijacking Stella's thread we should start a new one, if there is enough interest. Otherwise we can continue via PM.
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