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How to modulated a plasma speaker to singing teslacoil

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Franky
Fri Nov 13 2009, 10:25AM Print
Franky Registered Member #1940 Joined: Tue Jan 27 2009, 02:34PM
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Hi

I build a plasma speaker some time. It works fine, but the sound level is a bit low. So I decided to change the way of audio modulation. I want to modulate it like a singing teslacoil.

I think this is the way teslacoils modulate music.
The first graph is the audio input. The second graph is the output of the teslacoil.

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This is schematic of my plasma speaker.

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I want to put a transistor between the gate of the mosfet and the 555 chip. This chip should turn the plasma speaker on and off. The 555 chip itself is no longer audio modulated.

But how to control the transistor? A zero voltage switch? Does anyone have a schematic for this part? I don’t have the knowledge to design one myself.
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Wolfram
Fri Nov 13 2009, 11:08AM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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You can turn the 555 oscillator off by pulling pin 4 (reset) low. You could for example use a comparator like the LM311 to square up the input signal, then connecting the output of the comparator to pin 4 of the 555.


Anders M.
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Franky
Fri Nov 13 2009, 12:42PM
Franky Registered Member #1940 Joined: Tue Jan 27 2009, 02:34PM
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Ok.
I did find some data sheets of the LM311, LM211, LM111

I found this schematic in one of the datasheets.

Zero Crossing Detector Driving MOS Switch
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I have no idear what a MOS switch is. I changed the diagram to the following one (this schematic could be al lot of crap). Is this schematic OK?
786528171 6 JSCy

Many thanks in advance


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Wolfram
Fri Nov 13 2009, 02:36PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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You need a pullup resistor on the output of the LM311, as it has an open collector output.


Anders M.
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Franky
Fri Nov 13 2009, 04:28PM
Franky Registered Member #1940 Joined: Tue Jan 27 2009, 02:34PM
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I don't really know what an pullup resistor is. Is it the resistor R1? The one that I removed?

apologize for my lack of knowledge (and english)
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Franky
Sat Nov 14 2009, 09:32AM
Franky Registered Member #1940 Joined: Tue Jan 27 2009, 02:34PM
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Stupid question. I already found the answer on Wikipedia. It is indeed resistor R1.
How high should the resistor be?
I would like to use 15V input voltage. Is this possible? Should I make the voltage lower?
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Myke
Sat Nov 14 2009, 06:45PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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Pull up resistors usually aren't critical so you could probably use anything between 10k and 100k.

You might want to have a fairly large resistor go from the non-inverting input to ground so that the voltage doesn't drift anywhere on the other side. Maybe something around 100k.
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Franky
Mon Nov 16 2009, 04:13PM
Franky Registered Member #1940 Joined: Tue Jan 27 2009, 02:34PM
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Myke wrote ...

Pull up resistors usually aren't critical so you could probably use anything between 10k and 100k.

You might want to have a fairly large resistor go from the non-inverting input to ground so that the voltage doesn't drift anywhere on the other side. Maybe something around 100k.

If I understand you correctly, then this should be it

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Myke
Mon Nov 16 2009, 10:46PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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Yup. That's what I was thinking. I'm not completely sure if the 100k pull down resistor is necessary so could someone else see if it is?
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MinorityCarrier
Tue Nov 17 2009, 12:38AM
MinorityCarrier Registered Member #2123 Joined: Sat May 16 2009, 03:10AM
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Depends on what kind of source impedance pin 4 of the 555 requires for noise immunity in this application. Pin-4 is a bias to the base of an internal transistor. I'd go lower on the pullup resistor, say 2K, to prevent unwanted resets. The LM111/311 O.C. transistor can handle the current.
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