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2 GDTs Driving full bridge of IGBTs

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Goodchild
Sun Nov 08 2009, 08:21PM Print
Goodchild Registered Member #2292 Joined: Fri Aug 14 2009, 05:33PM
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I have been trying to obtain for some time now a large ferrite core for the GDT in my DRSSTC, with no luck trying to get one from TSC or any were else I have come up with an alliterative method of driving the bridge. The GDT will be driving a full bridge of first 30N60 IGBTs (miniblock) and then in the final design a full bridge of 60N60 IGBTs (also minblock).

My question is this, using Steve Ward's universal DRSSTC controller http://www.stevehv.4hv.org/new_driver.html could I drive the full bridge of IGBTs with 2 smaller GDTs (1 for each half of the bridge).

I have already started preliminary testing with 2 electronic goldmine ferrite cores http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G6683 driven by 2 UCCs chips in push pull mode, and the results look promising. smile

Some Pics:

Duel GDT test setup:
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UCCs output waveform(no GDT attached):
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GDTs output waveform (yellow waveform is 1 of the primaries on the first GDT and the blue
waveform is 1 of the primarys on the second GDT):
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lightlinked
Sun Nov 08 2009, 10:01PM
lightlinked Registered Member #2087 Joined: Tue Apr 21 2009, 08:32AM
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i've done that with those cores. you just have to parallel the primaries and it is fine. you should scope the secondaries while connected to the transistors so that they have the proper capacitive load or else the driver might blow up.
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Arcstarter
Sun Nov 08 2009, 10:17PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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lightlinked wrote ...

i've done that with those cores. you just have to parallel the primaries and it is fine. you should scope the secondaries while connected to the transistors so that they have the proper capacitive load or else the driver might blow up.
Not to mention, you should give the fullbridge an input voltage, to make the reading even more realistic. The miller capacitance is higher with voltage applied.
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GeordieBoy
Sun Nov 08 2009, 10:44PM
GeordieBoy Registered Member #1232 Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
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Yes, it works fine. I've always used seperate GDTs for the two bridge legs in inverters.

You can use two sets of gate-drive IC's too. Each set drives one GDT and controls the two devices in one bridge leg. This can give better gate waveforms than trying to stretch one set of drive IC's and a single GDT to drive everything.

Using seperate electronics to drive each bridge leg makes them independent if a fault developes on one bridge leg. It also lets you experiment with phase-shifting the drive to one bridge leg if you want to do this for power control.

-Richie,
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Goodchild
Sun Nov 08 2009, 11:41PM
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Thanks for the feedback, I will continue with my plan then to use 2 GDTs.

BTW the electronics didn't come close to blowing up without a load on the secondarys.
they run nice and cool while I was scopeing them. cheesey
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GeordieBoy
Mon Nov 09 2009, 01:13AM
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> Not to mention, you should give the fullbridge an input voltage, to make the reading even more realistic. The miller capacitance is higher with voltage applied.

The "Miller" capacitance of MOSFETs (Cdg) actually decreases with applied drain-source voltage.

It is the fact that current starts to be driven through this "Miller" capacitance as you increase the bus voltage that makes life progressively harder for the gate drive circuits.

I don't mean to nitpick, but device capacitances definitely fall with applied voltage. For common IRFP450 see Fig 5 top left of page 4 here:

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Even though the capacitance falls with drain-source voltage, significant current can still be forced through a few pF of Cdg if the drain voltage slews over several hundreds of volts in a short time! That's what causes the familiar "Miller Plateau" in MOSFET switching circuits, and to a lesser extent with IGBTs.

-Richie,
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Dr. Resonance
Sun Nov 15 2009, 03:33AM
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We use Electronics Goldmine cores. Cheap at only $1.00 each.

Dr. Resonance
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